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From: John Winters <jdwinters_at_eastlink.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] boat design
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 07:34:38 -0300
Peter wrote;

>And building on earlier design ideas was exactly what happened with the
>Nadgee, which as Matt noted, has different handling from the Mariner Max,
>and is a different boat, developed by its maker, and in no way a simple
copy
>of the Max.

Can you tell us how much a design must be changed before it becomes a new
design. Or, looking at it from the othe direction, how little you need to
change a design and not have it called a copy.

Cheers

John Winters
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From: Peter Treby <ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] boat design
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:15:18 +1000
" Can you tell us how much a design must be
changed before it becomes a new design. Or,
looking at it from the othe direction, how little
you need to change a design and not have it called
a copy."
Very wide question. At one end of the scale, a
flop mould, is a copy of a boat's shape. Whether
anything else is a copy is a question of fact in
each case, as to how many points of similarity or
identity there are.
Can you tell us at what point you feel a boat
design of yours has been copied, or on the other
hand, just used as the beginning point for a new
boat?
I notice the lines of your boats are displayed at
QCC kayaks website. How do you feel about someone
taking those lines and making a cedar stripper for
themselves? Any objection? What if they then sell
it?
Cheers, PT
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From: Michael Daly <mikedaly_at_magma.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] boat design
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 23:31:13 -0400
On 3 Aug 2004 at 7:34, John Winters wrote:

> Can you tell us how much a design must be changed before it becomes a
> new design. Or, looking at it from the othe direction, how little you
> need to change a design and not have it called a copy.

I wonder if you could get any help, in Canada at least, by declaring 
the design to be a work of art and its implimentation to be 
functional art.  Even if an artist sells a work of art, the artist 
still controls the work.  The owner is allowed to use it and enjoy 
it, but not modify or copy it in any way without the express consent 
of the work's creator.  This came out of Michael Snow (artist) vs 
Cadillac Fairview (owners of the Eaton Centre in Toronto) when the 
owner of the mall tied little red ribbon's on Snow's geese sculpture 
as a way to celebrate the Christmas Season.

Art is measured differently than industrial products and it may be 
easier to show that the copies are unfair.  But, INAL.

Mike
Slightly tongue in cheek.
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