Rob Gibbert wrote: >Is the Avocet a direct descendant of the Kornielsen/Illorssuit kayak? Or, was it a kayak produced after the successful Romany by Nigel Dennis? I would think both. In plan and profile, it is unmistakably similar to the Romany. In volume and section, it is more similar to the Pintail. There was an older Derek Hutchinson design that predated the Romany...that the Romany looks suspiciously like...P&H Icefloe? I can't remember the specific model. Looked just like a Romany, but with less rocker. (Here's a photo of Greg Stamer paddling one at Delmarva last year: http://www.qajaqusa.org/gallery/delmarva15_2003/d03jg002) >As for the Skerry, it is a hard sell to try to convince me it's similar to the Kornielsen kayak, but go ahead, I'm listening. : Well, it looks like the Nordkapp.... >it looks like someone wants a kayak to compete with the Greenlander Pro. Well, yeah! >Shawn, how different is the Kornielsen kayak and the Anas Acuta? How far removed from the source does one go before it really becomes a distant cousin. I'd definitely say they're first cousins, if not siblings. The two are sized more alike than the two 1959 Illorsuit kayaks--John Heath's and Ken Taylor's. I had my folder (based on the 1959 Ken Taylor kayak) at Delmarva--here's a photo of it next to an Anas Acuta: http://www.qajaqusa.org/gallery/delmarva15_2003/d03dm008 The Anas has higher decks, and is a foot longer. IMNSHO, the Pintail and everything after it are starting to move away from the original SOF, but the Anas Acuta is very, very similar. (not that that means there's anything wrong with the Pintail...only that it's another generation away from the original). It's a nice design; not my favorite, but definitely not one I dislike! You can't help but like it for its long storied history! Shawn Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 8/11/2004 11:48:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, shawnkayak_at_yahoo.com writes: > There was an older Derek Hutchinson design that predated the > Romany...that the Romany looks suspiciously like...P&H Icefloe? I > can't remember the specific model. Looked just like a Romany, but with > less rocker. (Here's a photo of Greg Stamer paddling one at Delmarva > last year: http://www.qajaqusa.org/gallery/delmarva15_2003/d03jg002) > > I'm looking at one in the Derek book and it has a bow like Michael Jackson's nose (circa 2004) and a Nordkapp HM style built on skeg. It is 24"'s wide. It does carry volume out to the bow and stern, so I can see what you are basing your comparison to. I think the Romany is more Acuta/Nordkapp, but fairly far removed, than Icefloe, though. I am seconding Matt's request of Lie detectoring all kayak designers to see what there influence really was. Rob G *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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