Re: [Paddlewise] Skin on Frame Boats

From: Nick Schade <nick_at_guillemot-kayaks.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:50:24 -0400
Having dropped several of my strip-built kayaks from eye level and 
having them bounce I will say that it is not a great indication of 
strength for surfing and other real-world type forces. For one, if the 
SOF is lightly built it will be light in weight. Dropping a light 
weight object does not produce the same force as dropping a heavy 
object. Leaves are not considered that strong, but rarely break when 
falling from even very tall trees. The most you might be able to say is 
the boat is strong for its weight, but only if other boats tend to fail 
this test.

The loading of a kayak in surf is not the same as to load from dropping 
a kayak 6'. This is not to say that SOF boats are weak, or that they 
can't be used in surf, only that surviving a drop test is not all that 
relevant. A better test would be to put the boat across 2 saw horses 
and have someone hop up and down in the cockpit. At least then you 
testing with loads similar to those experienced in real use. The likely 
region of failure in most long sea kayaks would be in the cockpit area. 
I suspect SOF boats will have higher stress concentrations than 
monocoque boats because all the load will be concentrated in a few 
small parts: ribs, gunwales, deck beams.

Nick

On Sep 12, 2004, at 9:49 PM, Kirk Olsen wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 09:36:58 -0700, "Dave Kruger" 
> <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
> said:
>> Guy south of me a ways on the Oregon Coast.
>>
>> He apparently paddles his in serious surf -- the beach there is very
>> exposed.
>
> Given my bias (I run the skin/frame kayak mailing list)
>
> I think a skin on frame ends up stronger, in some ways than a 'glass
> boat.  I did demos at a symposium with a friend and our standard
> response to "it looks fragile" was to lift a 24 pound greenland style
> boat to eye level and drop it onto the rock beach, where it bounced.
Nick Schade

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