Re: [Paddlewise] [PaddleWise] Skin on Frame Boats...the dead and the un-dead!

From: Matt Broze <mkayaks_at_oz.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:40:59 -0700
Mike Daly wrote:

>>>>>>>On 23 Sep 2004 at 8:36, Gordin Warner wrote:

> If the theory is correct a SOF kayak should enjoy a positive gain from
> the indentations along the hull.  I suppose the size of the
> indentations might have a negative affect on this.

The size is critical.  It is also related to the velocity of the
fluid along the surface.  Golf balls have small dimples and move
quite fast.  SOF kayaks have relatively smooth changes over a large
scale and move slowly in the water.

I doubt that the shape changes in the SOF have a significant effect
on the flow.

BTW, aircraft floats operate by planing, not displacement (well, as
you get anywhere near take off speed), so I doubt the analogy is
completely correct.<<<<<

I couldn't agree more. Dimples on a golf ball work by delaying separation of
the airflow around the back of the ball so that it doesn't have as big of a
"wake" retarding it. They are only effective in a certain range of
Reynolds's numbers (a relationship between the speed the length effected and
the density of the fluid). If I recall correctly, when the Reynolds's number
is the same, even though the other parameters making it up are all
different, things work the same. Kayaks operate in a different range than
golf balls. Also, not being blunt on the rear like a ball a kayak would not
likely benefit much from the delayed separation due to dimples even if it
did happen operate in the same Reynolds's number range.

Choppy water lets a planing hull skip from wave top to wave top cutting
friction, unfortunately for the theory, kayaks aren't fast enough to gain
this advantage from chop except maybe when surfing down the face of a steep
wave.

Peter used the word "dead" to describe the rigor mortis of "stiff" kayaks
compared to the squishy movement of a SOF in waves. wouldn't that make a
partially inflated rubber ducky the ultimate in undeadness? I too often
think some kayaks feel "dead", but having a much large base to compare from
(I'm almost to 800 now) I have come to somewhat different conclusions than
Peter as to the causes of a "dead" feel. To me things that contribute to a
dead feel are: heavy weight (gear loads and heavy kayaks suffering from
inertia), flexible kayaks (some of my energy is wasted flexing the
kayak--rotomolded plastic, flexible SOF, and inflatables come to mind), too
much friction holding them back (kayaks that are too wide, too long, or
poorly shaped), too hard to turn (stiff tracking kayaks with lots of keel at
the bow and stern don't feel lively to me, those responsive to body English
and paddle strokes do). Therefore, a stiff light carbon or wood kayak with a
sporty and responsive feel paddled empty would be my first choice. A stiff
SOF can be pretty good too but that floating dead cat flex of a soft one
would be a negative rather than a positive. The softer the flex the deader
it will feel. Think partially inflated inflatable or a dead jellyfish for
the extreme. Things that are alive counteract the forces acting on them. A
paddler is alive, a rigid kayak is moved by outside forces, does not
actively resist them, but is also not changed in shape by them. A flexible
kayak is like a dead animal that changes it shape when acted upon by other
forces in the environment, including the living paddler. It tends to absorb
those forces and dissipate them by flexing.

Matt Broze
www.marinerkayaks.com
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