>Check with Wayne Horodowich at University of Sea Kayaking >(www.useakayak.org). I know that he imports them. Wayne will ship you a Toksook to try, with the rental cost applied to the purchase if you buy. He's a terrific guy and, as an aside, a very good teacher. The design of the Toksook is attractive, but the weight is a killer. I paddle an AT Exception and switching to the Toksook was painful. Even Wayne uses a lighter paddle for longer distance paddles. switching to the Toksook for surfing and rock garden play where support and durability are more important. I wish they'd make one that weighs 28 ounces, then I might switch. ********************************************************* John S. March, MD, MPH Professor and Chief, Child and Adolescent Psychiatry Program for Child Affective & Anxiety Disorders Duke University Child and Family Study Center 718 Rutherford Street, Room 132 DUMC 3527 Durham, NC 27710 919/416-2404 (P); 919/416-2420 (F) Email: jsmarch_at_acpub.duke.edu Website: http://www2.mc.duke.edu/pcaad CAPTN: www.captn.org TADS: https://trialweb.dcri.duke.edu/tads/index.html ********************************************************* *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
John March said: > The design of the Toksook > is attractive, but the weight is a killer. I paddle an AT > Exception and switching to the Toksook was painful. That was the same feeling that I originally had. I tried a friends Toksook for all of about 5 minutes before handing it back and saying that it was too heavy and I didn't like the 90 degree feather. Then I took my first class with Derek and Wayne. Wayne is an old friend and he insisted that I use his spare Toksook for the 1st half of the class. I very reluctantly did. By the time we stopped for our lunch break, I was running to the car to confer with my wife before coming home with a new paddle (she's our family CFO and doesn't like to be surprised when it comes to my kayaking gear). There are times that the weight is actually an advantage and after Derek showed me that twisting the control hand wrist with a feathered paddle was wrong, I really started to like this paddle. Even when I'm going for a long paddle on a relatively calm ocean, the Toksook is on my back deck. It is great for getting through surf, high winds, large following seas, and again, the roll becomes totally effortless with it. Steve Holtzman *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 02:32 PM 9/1/2004, Steve Holtzman wrote: >By the time we stopped for our lunch break, I was running to the car to >confer with my wife before coming home with a new paddle (she's our family >CFO and doesn't like to be surprised when it comes to my kayaking gear). Now this I can relate to... ============================================================================== Dr. Joshua Teitelbaum, Senior Research Fellow Tel: [972] 3-640-6448 Moshe Dayan Center for Middle Eastern and Fax: [972] 3-641-5802 African Studies Tel Aviv University Ramat Aviv, Tel Aviv 69978 Israel E-mail:teitelba_at_post.tau.ac.il www.dayan.org ============================================================================== *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 05:32:33 -0700, "Steve Holtzman" <sh_at_actglobal.net> said: > John March said: > > The design of the Toksook > > is attractive, but the weight is a killer. > > There are times that the weight is actually an advantage Okay I'll bite. When is additional paddle weight an advantage? Assuming comparable paddle strength. Why would I want a 39 ounce toksook (weight from http://www.useakayak.org/toksook.html) over a reinforced carbon Epic at 24.5 ounces (http://www.epicpaddles.com/products/paddles/touring/active.htm) I'm interested from a paddle construction/weight basis. Assume the epic comes with the toksook shaped blade... -- Kirk Olsen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Kirk Olsen said: > Okay I'll bite. When is additional paddle weight an advantage? > Assuming comparable paddle strength. Kirk, While paddling in 25-30 knot beam winds with the winds gusting to strengths I couldn't begin to estimate since I had never been in winds that strong before, I was using my Werner fiberglass Kauai which is much lighter than the Toksook. Twice the paddle just started to rise in the wind causing me to have to let go with one hand to keep from capsizing downwind. I switched to the Toksook and the problem went away, although the wind did not. The only thing I can attribute it to was the additional weight. Some of the additional weight must also come from the metal inserts at the tip of the blades. That has certainly made for a lot less blade damage in rocks and pushing off of beaches to launch through surf. Otherwise, I'm like you, I prefer light weight - and if the Toksook could be modified to be as strong as it is and weigh less, I'd be very much in favor of it. I have been playing with a Greenland Stick for a while and I really like it - especially the lighter weight. However, I don't feel confident with it in surf yet as I don't feel I have the acceleration that a Euro provides. Friends have told me that is because my technique still needs work - I hope so, I'm taking a class on it at the Southwest Kayak Symposium. I do like the lighter weight of the GP! Steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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