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From: alex <al.m_at_3web.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Primex cart
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:34:08 -0800
http://www.sonomaoutfitters.com/pad_acc/pri_cart.html - it's been around for
quite a while ($110-130).  Sometimes Primex cart is called Roleeze (and this
is written on its wheels), though Roleeze company also makes larger cart of
that type (Roleeze Tote). My question is: did anybody have problems with
punctures on these 10"*3" Primex wheels?  And if so, how well can it be fixed,
say, with a duct tape in field, will it hold against air pressure? I'm
thinking of getting them for my DIY cart (currently using 8"*2" non-pneumatic
wheels). I have recently read that some people switched to non-pneumatic
wheels like Paddleboy Yedo for this reason:
http://www.paddleboy.com/pages/product_pages/yedo.html .  Yedo wheel is
slightly heavier, and has bronze oiled bushing sleeve rather than plastic
bushing of Primex (can't imagine any oiled parts inside a kayak), otherwise I
don't see much difference in wheels itself (cart design doesn't bother me -
both are too bulky, in my opinion).  No affiliation with any of them.
From: <keith.wrage_at_charter.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Primex cart
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:37:40 +0000
I use these wheels for carts:

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&productId=13794&R=13794

Cheap ($8 ea) and work very nicely.

K
From: alex <al.m_at_3web.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Primex cart
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:38:22 -0800
It's a good one; ball bearings work nicely even without any lubricant. If
they really have ball bearings on this wheel, as they write. Almost the same
surface area as 10"*3" Primex (OD*W), which they also have, for $10:
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId
=6970&productId=18846&R=18846 .  Don't know if they ship to Canada (after
shipping and all dues it would cost almost the same as CDN 25 Primex in
local store).  Though, quality might be better than Primex, made in
you-know-where. Or, may be, not :-)....

> I use these wheels for carts:
>
>
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId
=6970&productId=13794&R=13794
>
> Cheap ($8 ea) and work very nicely.
>
> K
From: Michael Daly <mikedaly_at_magma.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Primex cart
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:25:20 -0500
On 26 Dec 2004 at 17:38, alex wrote:

> It's a good one; ball bearings work nicely even without any lubricant.
> If they really have ball bearings on this wheel, as they write.

Given that the cart is presumably used for short distances and low 
speeds, bearing lubricant will be irrelevant.  They'd have to be well 
sealed to keep out sand, though.

> Almost
> the same surface area as 10"*3" Primex (OD*W), which they also have,
> for $10:

When dealing with rolling resistance, diameter matters more than 
width, especially in rough terrain and sand.

Mike
From: alex <al.m_at_3web.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Primex cart
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:24:24 -0800
> When dealing with rolling resistance, diameter matters more than
> width, especially in rough terrain and sand.

I can't figure out all the forces involved, though it looks like surface
area (3.14D*W) determines whether it would eventually roll or sink in sand.
You're right, diameter reduces rolling resistance (with given surface). Have
to think about either of those from Northern Tool - 12.5*2.25 (Keith is
using them)  or 10*3. Rolling resistance should be good enough with bearings
on any of these wheels (I can roll 8" wheels without bearings under
partially loaded kauak, when they don't sink in sand or gravel).  Hell knows
how well their bearings are sealed from sand. Wheels with large D, 12" or
more, are difficult to store in a kayak, even when they have less W - they
are not the heaviest thing in my gear, and I like storing them farther in
the bow or stern, and hull is narrow there.

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