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From: Gary J. MacDonald <garyj_at_rogers.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] kayaking with my dog (3rd try)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:13:16 -0500
Gary J. MacDonald wrote:
> I am close to Philip in my assessment of Bart's post:
> 1.    It looked to me like a very thinly disguised request for votes in 
> a design contest, and that was his real reason for posting.
> 2.    I am not so opposed as Philip to short, honest, one-time, 
> announcements:  "Look at this new product I designed at www.&&&&&.com. 
>  We are nearing a production model, so if you have any comments for 
> improvements we might still be able to work them in."  They should stick 
> to a minimum length.
> 3.    At least Bart is not flogging spittoons and calling us genocidal 
> freaks, even though his home base is not far away from that other scary 
> character.   (And his product will do all the same things and more, 
> although at a cost which I suggest is too high for anyone who does not 
> have a very specific use for the outrigger.)
> 
> GaryJ
> 
> kayakwriter_at_netscape.net wrote:
> 
>>"Bart Boelryk" <vortexconcepts_at_sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>I look forward to hearing from you and learning what you think.
>>>Bart
>>>    
>>>
>>'Kay Bart, here's what I think. I think you've got a product of real interest and pontential use to kayakers (one possilble application I don't see explored on your site is as an outrigger for sailing kayaks. I think you've propably put a lot of time and effort and heart into developing your product and commercializing it. 
>>But I also think it was inappropriate to post what amounted to essentially an ad for your product on this list. Your posting was not in response to any query from other members (How do I go kayaking with my dog? How do I carry my beer cooler accessibly while kayaking? ,etc.) And solicting votes for your invention in a contest is frankly cheesy.
>>You may think I'm being a real hard ass, but I've seen too many web communities overrun by commerical plugs having to abandon their turf and head out for pastures new, only to find the bandits track them there too.
>>What say the others on the list? Am I being the Grinch, with my heart too sizes too small?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Philip  
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From: Jackie Myers <jackie_at_muddypuppies.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] kayaking with my dog (3rd try)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:55:05 -0800 (PST)
> Gary J. MacDonald wrote:
> > 2.    I am not so opposed as Philip to short, honest, one-time, 
> > announcements: 

I am opposed and especially when the new subscriber has made 
no contribution to the list and posted his/her ad within 
minutes of subscribing to the list (which is what Bart did)
meaning the subscriber did not even bother to read the 
posting rules he received when he subsribed.

Jackie
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