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From: Michael Lampman <mlampman_at_solitaireboats.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Problem with two piece paddle
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:21:50 -0500
Hey all,

I have a two piece bent shaft carbon paddle.  I have had it for four or 
five years.  I like it better than any other paddle I ever owned but it 
has developed a problem.  A bit of play has developed in the fit of the 
locking button and the hole it mates with.  It does not prevent me from 
using the paddle but is enough to be quite annoying.  It also seems to 
me that the movement will likely increase the problem very quickly.  An 
obvious solution is to simply glue the two parts together permanently 
but I paddle feathered or unfeathered depending on conditions.

I hate the thought of using another paddle and hate even more the 
thought of shelling out at least $300 to replace it. Any suggestions 
for taking the play out?

Cheers,

Michael in Tallahassee 
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From: Elias Ross <genman_at_noderunner.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Problem with two piece paddle
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:07:17 -0800
Michael Lampman wrote:

> I hate the thought of using another paddle and hate even more the 
> thought of shelling out at least $300 to replace it. Any suggestions for 
> taking the play out?

If the hole has gotten bigger, I would suggest slapping a little 'glass 
and expoy over it, wait for it to cure, then redrill the hole.  Put 
plastic tape or something on the inside to prevent epoxy leaking on the 
inside.  Also, don't redrill too large, otherwise you're back at step one.

The added layers of glass also make for a beefier hole.  You can sand 
and then put some black tape over to protect it from UV.  And in the 
interest of saving $300, I would practice glassing before embarking on 
this little project.

You should also be able to get more stainless steel push buttons from 
your manufacturer if the button has shrunk.
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From: MICHAEL SILVIUS <M.Silvius_at_worldnet.att.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Problem with two piece paddle
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:46:09 -0500
Michael:
If the problem is that the holes for the push button spring have worn larger
than original.
The push buttons are avilable in differnt sizes. If your s is the smaller
get your self the next size up from yours and re-drill to fit the new lager
push button spring. I have a box full of them in asorted sizes both V and C
spring type.
If you figure out what size and type you need and send me your mailing
address back chanel I can send you a couple one or two sizes up from what
you have now.
If it is that the shaft fit has worn down, I would just brush on a coat or
two of epoxy (MAS or WEST not the 2 minute stuff) on the male side of the
ferule and build up the thicknes that way. Likely one coat should be enough,
and will need some sanding to fit again.

But honestly if you want to solve the problem for real build your self a
Greenland stick!!!!
;-)
regards:
Michael

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Lampman" <mlampman_at_solitaireboats.com>
To: "paddlewise" <paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 2:21 PM
Subject: [Paddlewise] Problem with two piece paddle


> Hey all,
>
> I have a two piece bent shaft carbon paddle.  I have had it for four or
> five years.  I like it better than any other paddle I ever owned but it
> has developed a problem.  A bit of play has developed in the fit of the
> locking button and the hole it mates with.  It does not prevent me from
> using the paddle but is enough to be quite annoying.  It also seems to
> me that the movement will likely increase the problem very quickly.  An
> obvious solution is to simply glue the two parts together permanently
> but I paddle feathered or unfeathered depending on conditions.
>
> I hate the thought of using another paddle and hate even more the
> thought of shelling out at least $300 to replace it. Any suggestions
> for taking the play out?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michael in Tallahassee
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From: Richard Birdsey <birdseyclan_at_iprimus.com.au>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Problem with two piece paddle
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:41:59 +1100
If worse comes to worse Michael, then drill new holes in a different 
position maintaining the desired feathers and fill the old ones in. Mind 
you, if you love a paddle that much then $300 is a reasonable investment 
compared to using something second-best.

In my experience split carbon shafts appear to grind out their pin holes 
quicker than fiberglass ones. Any of you materials experts out there got 
a view on this? Fellow instructors down here who also give their paddles 
a bit of curry in the surf, rocks and the like are tending towards using 
60% - 80% carbon paddles not 100% ones as the latter don't take it so 
well. Some are even using bullet-proof wildwater slalom paddles for all 
types of paddling to great effect though they are pretty brutal to use.

Richard
Sydney, Australia
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From: sidney n stone <snstone_at_optonline.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Problem with two piece paddle
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:30:19 -0500
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Here's an easy solution. Wrap a piece of electrical tape over the joint. Two
wraps will be sufficient. The same piece of tape can be used multiple times.
>From experience I know this works well with Werner paddles. In addition you
can force some "sex" wax around the push button in the hole. This helps
eliminate some movement but needs to be done each time you put the paddle
together. I would at least go with the electrical tape before starting to
resize the hole, etc. Easy, cheap and it works.

Good luck
Sid

Ps: The new Werner premium paddles use a nice locking system that eliminates
this movement.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Lampman
Subject: [Paddlewise] Problem with two piece paddle

I have a two piece bent shaft carbon paddle.  I have had it for four or 
five years.  I like it better than any other paddle I ever owned but it 
has developed a problem.  A bit of play has developed in the fit of the 
locking button and the hole it mates with.  It does not prevent me from 
using the paddle but is enough to be quite annoying.  It also seems to 
me that the movement will likely increase the problem very quickly.  An 
obvious solution is to simply glue the two parts together permanently 
but I paddle feathered or unfeathered depending on conditions.
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From: Michael Lampman <mlampman_at_solitaireboats.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Problem with two piece paddle
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:30:45 -0500
So many solutions, so little time. . . . . . . . .

Thanks to all for so many helpful responses.  What an impressive  
resource is the paddlewise list!!!

Cheers,

Michael
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