In a message dated 2/18/2005 8:28:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, strosaker_at_yahoo.com writes: ((Topic 1-Paddle Length: I noticed that Werner now has a paddle sizing chart at http://www.wernerpaddles.com/choose.html . What surprised me about it is that they are recommending a paddle length of 210 cm for average size sea kayakers who use a high angle stroke. I'm an average size guy (5', 10") who has been using a high angle stroke for the last several years, and I've been happy with a 215 cm Werner Shuna. Most other paddlers who I know and use a high angle stroke also prefer a length around 215 cm. I don't plan to change to a 210 cm, but I was curious why Werner is recommending it. A 210 cm seems a bit short, especially for any kind of distance. On the other hand, if I was goofing around just practicing BCU 3 star strokes, a 210 cm would be nice. Are there many 210 cm users out there? I think I remember Rob Gibbert in Washington mentioning he uses a shorter paddle like that, and he's over 6 feet tall.)) I looked at the Werner site and found it interesting that someone 5' 5" to 6'2" would likely use a similar paddle length, given the same boat width. Equally interesting, my wife and I use the same paddle and length, a 210cm Lendal Kinetic. She is more comfortable than ever with her 210cm switching down from a 215cm Kaui. She switched from the Kaui as the old style ferule was wearing down and the joint needed beefing up. We needed another 4 piece paddle so we went with the Lendal Kinetic as they make the best 4 piece systems, IMNSHO. I personally like the 210cm length, having come down from a 215cm. I do notice the difference, though it is subtle. The Kinetic blade links strokes really well and the shaft length seems to be right on the money. Werner suggests if you have a high angle stroke, a boat width less than 22", are 6'2" or more, a 205cm may be appropriate. I doubt I would go there, though, even though I fit into all three criteria. One conventional theory holds that you should be able to curl your fingers over the blade if standing next to your upright paddle. I'm glad that paddle makers are enabling their users with better info these days. I started with a 240 and went to a 230. Then, I took a "radical" step and...oooooh...bought a 220cm. By then 215's were passe' and I still like it, almost as much as my 210cm. However, I reserve the right to change my mind on the 210cm as I have only about a hundred miles on it. So far I find it to be about right. ((Topic 3-Carbon Fiber Greenland Paddle: I recently bought a carbon fiber Greenland paddle from Superior Kayaks ( http://www.superiorkayaks.com/superiorkayaks008.htm ). I'm still a euro blade die-hard, but this paddle is absolutely beautiful, quite cool, and made very well. It paddles nice too. Even non-GP users should have this UFO looking thing in their collection. I'm surprised other paddle manufacturers haven't produced their own carbon fiber Greenland paddles. Any ideas why?)) Greenland paddles do not sell themselves, they have to be sold to someone that is open minded. Most people do not believe that a stick can propel them forward very well. In fact it can quite well, but most instructors, paddle shop owners, etc., also prefer EP's. I was interested in them which is why I bought one and made a bunch more. I am more on the EP side of the fence than the GP side, but I really like them both and can use either Ok, I guess. Enjoying Sea, WW and Surf paddling I prefer the EP as my instincts need no memory. The Superior GP is really nice. I borrowed Greg Stamers for a few minutes one day and found it noisier than my wood ones. It can almost be used as a hydrophone! He broke his on Lake Michigan, I believe. You may want to email him on the other forum for better details. ((Topic 4-Lendal Paddlok System: I've got a Lendal whitewater paddle I use for ocean surfing, and it has the Paddlok system ( http://www.usa.lendal.com/ ). It is a great way to go for 4-piece paddles, but it is a bit of trouble to rinse off all the parts after use. Also, their isn't much foam flotation in the shaft, leaving lots of room for water to get in it and swish around. I was wondering how well the coil springs in the Paddlok system have been holding up in saltwater. Any corrosion?)) I've had Lendals for the past 14 months and take very little care of them. I might wash them every 2 times I go out but that is it. I just put the hose into the tube for a few seconds, splash a bit on the blade and they are good to go. I rarely break them down into 4's and wash them as little water gets into them. Surfing seems to get a bit of water into them but it was about an eyedroppers worth from my last outing. I don't know about the other joint lock systems on the market, but Lendals can be field replaced. If you bust a shaft section or blade that component can be replaced. I broke a shaft section doing something stupid and it only cost me 57 dollars to make new again. When I broke my Aquabound paddle I had to buy a new one. My Werner 4 piece gets a bit more water in it, however, they have improved that secondary joint since I bought mine. My Molokai is several years old and is too tough to die. Their paddles are so good I replaced my Aquabound WW paddle with a Werner Powerhouse. Little or any at all of the above is scientific, just one hack's opinion, Rob G *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. 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