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From: Richard T. Magill <seakayaker32_at_wordandwater.us>
subject: [Paddlewise] Camp seeking kayak donations - South Carolina.
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:41:06 -0500
Getting rid of that old Kayak?

Give me your old, your dusty, your huddled rental fleets. .  .  Okay 
that's cheesey, but seriously, "Word & Water Adventures" is a nonprofit, 
sea kayaking, adventure camp, in desperate need of  your expedition 
capable, solo and tandem kayaks.  Used, blems, rental fleets etc. are 
gladly accepted.  (boats needing minor repairs are also gladly 
accepted).  I live in Greenville, SC, so I'm pretty much limited to the 
southeast for pick up, but we may be able to arrange shipping.  Boats 
will either be used in our fleet or sold and the money used to further 
the programs in other ways.  All donations will be tax deductible.

Please Contact Richard T. Magill (Director) at (864) 630-8400 or 
seakayaker32_at_wordandwater.us.

For more information about Word & Water just go to www.wordandwater.us
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From: Michael Lampman <mlampman_at_solitaireboats.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Camp seeking kayak donations - South Carolina.
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:02:18 -0500
I might consider helping if it were it a real charity or something like 
maybe Outward Bound.    This looks like free stuff for middle class 
young people.  Just because it is religious doesn't qualify it as a 
charity IMOH.

I disapprove of this solicitation.  "Cheesey" correctly characterizes 
it.

Michael


On Feb 2, 2005, at 8:41 AM, Richard T. Magill wrote:
> Give me your old, your dusty, your huddled rental fleets. .  .  Okay 
> that's cheesey, but seriously, "Word & Water Adventures" is a 
> nonprofit, sea kayaking, adventure camp, in desperate need of  your 
> expedition capable, solo and tandem kayaks.  Used, blems, rental 
> fleets etc. are gladly accepted.  (boats needing minor repairs are 
> also gladly accepted).  I live in Greenville, SC, so I'm pretty much 
> limited to the southeast for pick up, but we may be able to arrange 
> shipping.  Boats will either be used in our fleet or sold and the 
> money used to further the programs in other ways.  All donations will 
> be tax deductible.
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From: Kirk Olsen <kork4_at_cluemail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Camp seeking kayak donations - South Carolina.
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:06:02 -0500
On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:02:18 -0500, "Michael Lampman"
<mlampman_at_solitaireboats.com> said:
> I might consider helping if it were it a real charity or something
> like maybe Outward Bound.    This looks like free stuff for middle
> class young people.  Just because it is religious doesn't qualify it
> as a charity IMOH.
>
> I disapprove of this solicitation.

Richard emailed me first and I approved the posting of the request, and
manipulated the content to get the religious content as low as I could,
I also put the geographic location in the subject so that those out of
his area wouldn't bother with the post.

I made the assumption that the paperwork (whatever the US codes are to
allow income tax deductions) was in place based on Richards comment that
"donations are deductible".

I based my decision to allow the request because it was for a camp.
Others on this list are involved with running non-profit trips/camps and
I don't want to restrict their ability to make a similar request -
assuming their tax deductible status is in place....  Maybe that wasn't
the right decision, but it's one I made.

Kirk
-- 
  Kirk Olsen
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From: <kayakwriter_at_netscape.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Camp seeking kayak donations - South Carolina.
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:38:59 -0500
"Kirk Olsen" <kork4_at_cluemail.com> wrote:
>Richard emailed me first and I approved the posting of the request, and
>manipulated the content to get the religious content as low as I could,

Hi Kirk,

Just my thoughts on this posting. I think there's no problem with posting such a solicitation for any group that gets kids kayaking. But I think the religious or political affiliation, if any, should be identified. Personally, I'd feel a bit conned if I gave a donation of cash or kayak gear to an organisation and only learned after the fact that it had a religious agenda. Ibd rather support organisations that let kids of any denomination or of none partake of the joys of paddling. Other Paddlewisers may well feel differently, but we all should have all the facts so that our decision to donate or not to donate to a particular group is informed consent.

That all said, I'm Monday morning quarter-backing. I know you process and filter scads of mail on our behalf, and have to make quick decisions. Thanks for all your hard work. 

Cheers,

Philip
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