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From: Evan Dallas <evand_at_pensionresourcegroup.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Storing/protecting all those charts
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:45:17 -0800
Darryl Darryl.Johnson_at_sympatico.ca wrote:

<snip>

 

>>>>>Another friend just bit the bullet and purchased a set of CDs with 

1:50000 maps of most of Canada. He's got some neat software that lets 

him calculate distances by "drawing" the planned route. It also shows 

him Lat. and Long. when he hovers the cursor over any given point, 

and these get entered into the GPS as waypoints. (We type the 

waypoint "name" onto the map before printing as well.)

 

I think he told me it cost a few hundred dollars (Cdn.) for the set 

of CDs, but at the price of paper topos, it was well worth it! (And 

there's hardly any storage issue with the set of CDs!)<<<<<

 

Darryl  Do you know the name of the software your friend bought?

 

Evan Dallas

Woodinville, Washington
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From: <kayakwriter_at_netscape.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Storing/protecting all those charts
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 18:14:25 -0500
Keith Wrage <keith.wrage_at_charter.net> wrote:
>A nice place to store large flat prints (like blueprints) is to clip them 
>together with either a pair of large binder clips or squeeze clamps from 
>the garage.  Couple of nails on the back of a closet door and the prints 
>will hang nice and flat and out of the way. 

I've used a commercial product called Map Seal with good success (as opposed to "bad success" i.e. "failure":-) I have noticed that Map Seal coated charts tend to stick to one another if stored under pressure, which would make me hesitate to use Keith's otherwise clever storage idea.

Philip 
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From: <kayakwriter_at_netscape.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Storing/protecting all those charts
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:27:46 -0500
Jeff Bingham <kayakjef_at_bellsouth.net> wrote:
>As far as protection I have used, with some very good success, clear shelf paper or contact paper. The only thing is that I usually can only find it in 12 or 13 inch rolls and it can be a pain trying to get old maps with wrinkles and creases to lay flat enough to adhere.

This reminded me that some Kinko's and similar copy/printing outlets offer document lamination. I've never used them for "aftermarket" lamination, but I have bought pre-laminated charts of popular kayaking areas from kayak shops. 
Upsides: absolute water- and wrinkle-proofness. Enough so that you can use them directly on deck without a chart case. 
Downsides: can't be written on with ordinary pens and pencils. Indelible markers work, but make thick lines that can be hard to fit in when you're trying to note a lot of details. Laminated charts are also hard to fold or roll compactly. Not a problem on shorter trips, but an issue on longer ones, where you're carrying numerous charts, including many below decks.

Philip       
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From: alex <al.m_at_3web.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Storing/protecting all those charts
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:08:51 -0800
> This reminded me that some Kinko's and similar copy/printing outlets offer
document lamination. I've never used them for "aftermarket" lamination, but
I have bought pre-laminated charts of popular kayaking areas from kayak
shops.

I don't know the maximum size that they can laminate, but have tried this
with topo-maps and results were very good.  I've made colour copies of neeed
pages, laminated them back-to-back (pasting scale where it was missing), and
sewn them together at margin, like a notebook (suggested by somebody on this
list).  Very compact and convenient.
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From: Michael Daly <mikedaly_at_magma.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Storing/protecting all those charts
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 01:29:38 -0500
On 4 Feb 2005 at 19:27, kayakwriter_at_netscape.net wrote:

>  Downsides: can't be written on with ordinary pens and pencils. 

Try Stabilo Aquarellable pencils.  About C$2 each, but they work on 
many plastics.  I owe Shawn Baker (IIRC) thanks for pointing these 
out.

Mike
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Storing/protecting all those charts
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 01:57:57 -0800
From: "Michael Daly" <mikedaly_at_magma.ca>

> Try Stabilo Aquarellable pencils.  About C$2 each, but they work on
> many plastics.

Also Sanford's Sharpie, which comes in several colors in an Extra Fine Point. 
Wipes off with rubbing alcohol.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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From: Gordin Warner <gwarner2_at_shaw.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Storing/protecting all those charts
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:59:03 -0800
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I've had charts laminated at copy/printing outlets.  There's two standards 
hot and cold.  If you've been able to talk the copy centre into making 
photo copies of the chart consider the less expensive cold plastic 
lamination process.

However if you're getting your original chart laminated go for the hot 
lamination.  It'll last a lot longer. The cold process will work for about 
four or five days.  Eventually it leaks along the edges.  I've gone the hot 
lamination route once.  I cut the charts into standard paper sizes and 
stacked the cut up chart back to back.  I throw way the large sections of 
open water or sections of land that are not relevant to kayaking but keep 
the section with the legend and compass rose and mark the longitude and 
latitude lines on the individual pages.

Gordin Warner
Victoria BC

This reminded me that some Kinko's and similar copy/printing outlets offer 
document lamination. I've never used them for "aftermarket" lamination,
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From: <Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Storing/protecting all those charts
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:37:32 -0500
They accept spiral bindings (and don't tear out) so you can
> create
> a notebook of maps that continue logically as you page through the
book
> (front to back of each page and then onto the next.  Mine are color
> printouts or photocopies of maps on std size copy paper - then folded
into
> 5.5 x 8.5 and laminated for a total size of about 6.5" x 10" including
> lamination edges.  Excellent setup to use on deck BUT...from
experience,
> keep in mind that these packets sink unless you attach a float of some
> sort! ;o)


I haven't done this, but it seems like an option to the float would be
to tether them to the deck rigging, kind of like you would your paddle.
If the holes you punch are that strong, seem like it would work.  Anyone
try that?

Rick
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