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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] GPS Mount for Kayaks -- "Old Eyes" Problem
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:39:49 -0800
I have the "old eyes" problem, which prevents me from making use of the 
screen detail on my GPS unless it is within about 20 inches of my nose.

I have experimented with various locations, and it is plain that the 
sprayskirt deck is about as far away as I can place it and still use the 
screen detail.  If I move it to just in front of the cockpit (not an ideal 
location, in any case), I can not make out detail on Blue Charts, and the 
like.

What do others do about this?  (Those under fifty won't understand the 
problem, I suspect!)

I don't want to attach the unit to my sprayskirt because it may get in the 
way in a self rescue situation.  Lanyarding it to my PFD means I have to stop 
paddling to grab it to look at the screen.

I suppose a variation of those neck-based harmonica-holders like Bob Dylan 
used to use might work, but aside from the geek-factor, I really don't want 
something around my neck if I have to roll or dump out of the cockpit.

Has anybody with a serious bifocal correction solved this?

Thanks.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR 
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From: Kenneth McClelland <benzx2_at_verizon.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] GPS Mount for Kayaks -- "Old Eyes" Problem
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:27:17 -0500
What about putting some Velcro on the skirt and a wedge of foam on that.
Then Velcro the GPS to the wedge. Now just lanyard the GPS to your PFD. In a
self rescue the wedge is probably already gone from popping the skirt, if
not just pull it off and stow under the front bungie - worst case write it
off. If it does not work out you at least have some Velcro on the skirt -
now just put some on your water bottle and tell everyone that was it's real
purpose.

Ken
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Kruger" <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
-- "Old Eyes" Problem


> I have the "old eyes" problem, which prevents me from making use of the
> screen detail on my GPS unless it is within about 20 inches of my nose.
>
> I have experimented with various locations, and it is plain that the
> sprayskirt deck is about as far away as I can place it and still use the
> screen detail.  If I move it to just in front of the cockpit (not an ideal
> location, in any case), I can not make out detail on Blue Charts, and the
> like.
>
> What do others do about this?  (Those under fifty won't understand the
> problem, I suspect!)
>
> I don't want to attach the unit to my sprayskirt because it may get in the
> way in a self rescue situation.  Lanyarding it to my PFD means I have to
stop
> paddling to grab it to look at the screen.
>
> I suppose a variation of those neck-based harmonica-holders like Bob Dylan
> used to use might work, but aside from the geek-factor, I really don't
want
> something around my neck if I have to roll or dump out of the cockpit.
>
> Has anybody with a serious bifocal correction solved this?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Dave Kruger
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] GPS Mount for Kayaks -- "Old Eyes" Problem
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:30:46 -0800
"Kenneth McClelland" <benzx2_at_verizon.net> suggested:


> What about putting some Velcro on the skirt and a wedge of foam on that.
> Then Velcro the GPS to the wedge. Now just lanyard the GPS to your PFD. In 
> a
> self rescue the wedge is probably already gone from popping the skirt, if
> not just pull it off and stow under the front bungie - worst case write it
> off. If it does not work out you at least have some Velcro on the skirt -
> now just put some on your water bottle and tell everyone that was it's real
> purpose

This sounds pretty good to me -- except I think I'd lanyard the GPS through a 
grommetted hole in the wedge to a padeye on the foredeck of the kayak.  That 
way I could move the whole thing out of the way for launching and landing. 
In a capsize, the Velcro would not impede release of the sprayskirt. And, I'd 
rather have the lanyard attached to the kayak instead of me -- simplifies 
reentry if I need to wet exit.

This GPS (a Garmin Map60C) needs at least an ounce or two of flotation 
attached, anyway -- it sinks as is.  Foam attached to it seems like good 
insurance.

Thanks to Kenneth and everyone else for the ideas.  Refinements, anyone?

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR 
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From: Peter Rattenbury <ratten_at_uow.edu.au>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] GPS Mount for Kayaks -- "Old Eyes" Problem
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:22:30 +1000
Dave: Like you I have the eyesight 'challenge' that comes with 'maturity', heh heh... and I see that you have a Garmin 60 which I am sure is a nice unit. 
I chose a Silva GPS some years ago because of the large alpha and numerical display.  I thought this feature was a real plus. The Silva was designed to be read in adverse conditions; ie, the data display was easily the largest I had seen on a handheld GPS.
Perhaps some of the newer Garmins, Magellans etc have a similar large display now; but at the time, there was no comparison.  Some of those smaller Garmins seem to be made only for ideal conditions in ideal light,and for those with ideal close-up eyesight. 
Cheers, PeterR 
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From: Word & Water Adventures <seakayaker32_at_wordandwater.us>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] GPS Mount for Kayaks -- "Old Eyes" Problem
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:33:29 -0500
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Well, I haven't solved the prob, but I'm under 50, and would certainly like 
to find something that would let me look at my GPS without stopping paddling 
:-)

Thx Rich
www.wordandwater.us
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From: Bob Volin <bobvolin_at_optonline.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] GPS Mount for Kayaks -- "Old Eyes" Problem
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:40:11 -0500
I have presbyopia (old eyes; need for bifocals) and I also hate to 
paddle in prescription glasses!  Contact lenses seemed like they would 
be a good solution, since they can be 
obtained with bifocal or progressive corrections.   That was not to be, 
however, because I also have a slight astigmatism, worse in one eye than 
the other. The solution, after some trial and error, was a "monovision" 
configuration. The following two sentences are taken from a website that 
explains the concept: "With monovision, you wear one contact lens with 
one power to correct distance vision and the other contact lens with one 
power to correct near vision. The distance vision lens is usually worn 
in your dominant eye.  While monovision may appear to be an unusual 
choice, most people actually accommodate well to it, and eventually 
don't even notice that each eye is responsible for a different part of 
their vision".  That's generally the case with me.  Although my acuity 
with the lenses isn't as good as it is with my glasses, it's  certainly 
good enough for paddling (I can see distances well enough -- with some 
loss of acuity, though -- and can read a chart or use my GPS without 
having to deal with glasses). While I indended, originally, to wear the 
lenses only for paddling, I now wear them most days. 

While we're on the subject of GPS usage:  my GPS -- a Garmin GSMap76 -- 
sporadically loses contact with the satellites when I lay it flat on the 
deck.  I've had better performance after I attached it to a minicel 
wedge which keeps it propped up at about a 60 degree angle.  Much easier 
to see, too!

Bob V

Dave Kruger wrote:

> I have the "old eyes" problem, which prevents me from making use of 
> the screen detail on my GPS unless it is within about 20 inches of my 
> nose.
>   <snip>
> What do others do about this?  (Those under fifty won't understand the 
> problem, I suspect!)
> <snip>
> Has anybody with a serious bifocal correction solved this?
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From: Michael Daly <mikedaly_at_magma.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] GPS Mount for Kayaks -- "Old Eyes" Problem
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:08:45 -0500
On 28 Mar 2005 at 11:39, Dave Kruger wrote:

> I have the "old eyes" problem, which prevents me from making use of
> the screen detail on my GPS unless it is within about 20 inches of my
> nose.

If you wear sunglasses regularly, then try stick-on bifocal lenses.  
They are made by NeoOptix and can be attached and removed from 
sunglasses, dive masks, etc.  Hard to find locally, but I understand 
they're easier to find in the US.

<http://www.velotique.com/Eyewear%20Ryders.htm> - note that this is a 
Canadian web site with C$ prices.

Mike
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From: A. Hurley <ahurley_at_viewit.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] -- "Old Eyes" Problem
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:58:03 -0500 (EST)
This eye discussion is right up my alley! After having near perfect
vision I am losing it from both directions but mostly I'm going
near-sited (I don't even know how to spell it!). For sea kayaking it's not
as big a deal as whitewater.

As the doctor told me to wear glasses that is what I've been trying but
they fog up, of course. They are all bent and scratched now! Someone
suggested the, what are they, floppy style contacts?

Andree

> On 28 Mar 2005 at 11:39, Dave Kruger wrote:
>
> > I have the "old eyes" problem, which prevents me from making use of
> > the screen detail on my GPS unless it is within about 20 inches of my
> > nose.

Andree Hurley
KIX: http://www.onwatersports.com/
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From: Margot Pantalone <mpantalo_at_tennessee.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] -- "Old Eyes" Problem
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 10:13:39 -0500
>This eye discussion is right up my alley!

Mine, too. For the past two months, I've been experimenting with a 
therapy called Ortho-K. I sleep in corrective hard lenses at night 
and wear no glasses nor contact lenses in the daytime. This makes it 
great for paddling. The treatment can work for people who are mildly 
nearsighted. My slight to moderate astigmatism, though, is proving 
harder to correct, so the vision isn't as sharp as what I'd get with 
glasses. Still, I'm hoping to stick with it, as I love not having to 
wear corrective lenses (contacts or glasses) while paddling.

There is apparently big variance in what doctors charge for Ortho-K 
therapy. If anyone explores this, my advice is to call around and ask 
about fees.

Margot




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From: Richard Birdsey <birdseyclan_at_iprimus.com.au>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] GPS Mount for Kayaks -- "Old Eyes" Problem
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:11:30 +1000
I have seen a number of people with GPSs, mobile phones and all sorts of 
other things velcroed to their spray decks no problem.

You could attach it to your PFD on the front of your shoulder in such a 
way that you can read it on the move if you were keen - with a lanyard 
to ensure it doesn't go walkies. Velcro would probably do the job. My 
Etrex comes with a clip for mounting it onto bike handlebars which is 
very secure and quick to put on and off. Perhaps you could modify such a 
bracket for such a use.

Or look at bifocal sunglasses?

Richard.


Dave Kruger wrote:

> I have the "old eyes" problem, which prevents me from making use of 
> the screen detail on my GPS unless it is within about 20 inches of my 
> nose.
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