Was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction regarding this: I'm interested in building an open canoe. I do not want to do a cedar strip boat. Thinking more along the lines of plywood stitch-n-glue. I would like the boat to be capable of tripping with portages in mind (BWCAW or Quetico) - so lightweight would be good. Payload capacity has to be at least 550 to 600 lbs (I weigh-in at 250 myself!) and still maintain performance (lots of boats will hold 600 lbs but paddle like a flat-faced barge with that load). I'm guessing this places it in the 17-18 foot range. Ideally, the boat would be easy and fairly quick to build (S&G should make that doable) and have acceptable performance levels. No, I can't define acceptable - but I guess I'm saying on par with say a Wenonah Minnesota II. Since this would be a primarily a tripping canoe - tracking is probably more important that being able to turn on a dime. As for simplicity of construction, I have in my mind to work with groups of jr and sr high aged kids to build boats and then do a trip into the BW/Q. With the attention span and skill level of the groups, the construction needs to be pretty straightforward. I'm wondering if such a craft exists (I know I'm not the first to want this) - and where might one find information/plans? John Winters, I know you are the guru of small craft design and construction - wondering if you have some direction for us? I also have a couple of others that I paddle with that are interested in building a simple S&G solo canoe for BW tripping so if there is a resource for that too - that would be great. As always, it is great to have a resource of knowledge like PW. It is sure a luxury to be able to pull up a log around this campfire and learn from the veterans! Thanks, K *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The closest thing I know of is Chesapeake Light Crafts Sassafras in 12 and 16 foot lengths. http://www.clcboats.com/boats/sassafras.php Not quite what you want, but in the ballpark. No personal experience with either of these boats. I built one of their kayaks and love it. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Wrage" <keith.wrage_at_charter.net> To: <paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:27 PM Subject: [Paddlewise] S&G open canoes?? > Was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction regarding > this: > > I'm interested in building an open canoe. I do not want to do a cedar > strip boat. Thinking more along the lines of plywood stitch-n-glue. I > would like the boat to be capable of tripping with portages in mind (BWCAW > or Quetico) - so lightweight would be good. Payload capacity has to be at > least 550 to 600 lbs (I weigh-in at 250 myself!) and still maintain > performance (lots of boats will hold 600 lbs but paddle like a flat-faced > barge with that load). I'm guessing this places it in the 17-18 foot > range. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[Moderator's Note: Content unaltered. Excessive quoting (including headers/footers/sig lines/extraneous text from previous posts, etc.) have been removed. Please edit quoted material in addition to removing header/trailers when replying to posts.] Try Pygmy Boats web site. http://www.pygmyboats.com/mall/taiga.asp. The Taiga is described as a wilderness tripper. 17' long. Or www.greenval.com, both a solo and a tandem in S&G. Based on the Swift Osprey, and the Swift Winisk. Good luck. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
You might try checking into the Six Hour Canoe. There is information at http://aboatbuildingjournal.com/photo.htm The above site says the book is available at the Wooden Boat Shop and has a link to that site. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Keith wrote; (SNIP) > Ideally, the boat would be easy and fairly quick to build (S&G should make > that doable) and have acceptable performance levels. No, I can't define > acceptable - but I guess I'm saying on par with say a Wenonah Minnesota > II. Since this would be a primarily a tripping canoe - tracking is > probably more important that being able to turn on a dime. As for > simplicity of construction, I have in my mind to work with groups of jr > and > sr high aged kids to build boats and then do a trip into the BW/Q. With > the attention span and skill level of the groups, the construction needs > to > be pretty straightforward. > > I'm wondering if such a craft exists (I know I'm not the first to want > this) - and where might one find information/plans? I have not seen a of of plans for S&G canoes and particularly for large boats. That does not mean they don't exist just that there may not be a lot of them. > > John Winters, I know you are the guru of small craft design and > construction - wondering if you have some direction for us? > I don't know who has been spreading ugly rumors about me but I sure wish they would stop. Seriously, thanks or the compliment but if there are canoe gurus out there, self styled or otherwise, you shouldn't pay any attention to them. Cheers John Winters *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
John Winters wrote: > Keith wrote; > > (SNIP) > >> Ideally, the boat would be easy and fairly quick to build (S&G should >> make >> that doable) and have acceptable performance levels. No, I can't define >> acceptable - but I guess I'm saying on par with say a Wenonah Minnesota >> II. Since this would be a primarily a tripping canoe - tracking is >> probably more important that being able to turn on a dime. As for >> simplicity of construction, I have in my mind to work with groups of >> jr and >> sr high aged kids to build boats and then do a trip into the BW/Q. With >> the attention span and skill level of the groups, the construction >> needs to be pretty straightforward. >> >> I'm wondering if such a craft exists (I know I'm not the first to want >> this) - and where might one find information/plans? > > I have not seen a of of plans for S&G canoes and particularly for large > boats. That does not mean they don't exist just that there may not be a > lot of them. > >> John Winters, I know you are the guru of small craft design and >> construction - wondering if you have some direction for us? > I don't know who has been spreading ugly rumors about me but I sure wish > they would stop. > > Seriously, thanks or the compliment but if there are canoe gurus out > there, self styled or otherwise, you shouldn't pay any attention to them. John, are you trying to keep this a secret? I've just blown it if you were. http://www.greenval.com/osprey_II.html http://www.angelfire.com/on3/madcanoeist/osprey1/canoe.html -- Steve Cramer Athens, GA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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