Thanks Peter for following up so steadfastly with details of Andrew's incident, and for identifying factual information while clearly indicating where any speculation occurred while also keeping the topic free from exaggeration. The dehydration question was worth considering as something to rule out. Hydration and nutrition are always something to review when determining what went wrong during voyage of longer duration. This didn't sound like an issue with Andrew, other than the need to retrieve supplies in an unorthodox manner. > Distress Call question > > Doug's point to keep repeating the distress call is well made and I would > advocate that kayakers break the Mayday vs. Pan rule and call Mayday from > the start of a distress call for a life threatening situation. This could > be a point of debate. My navy friends have said call Pan first then > Mayday. > Whatever the distress call I'd repeat it at the start of every response to > the coastguard if possible. What do others think? You didn't get much response on this question. The urgency in the Mayday vs. Pan guidelines is one easily answerable for an aircraft pilot: You are having an engine problem with one of your two engines, you Pan for priority consideration. If your aircraft just lost rudder control and altitude is rapidly dwindling, Mayday is an obvious, urgent response to the situation. Vessels at sea suffer a slower fate, usually, though some do sink awfully fast after some causative effect. A Pan Pan will be responded to and often you will be redirected to 22Alpha to continue the conversation ("I ran out of gas."), leaving the finite resource of 16 open for other emergencies, I believe. Depends who responds to you given how remote your location. When my two friends and I called in a rescue off the Storm Islands a few years back, we should have done a Pan Pan. I was very upset that we went Mayday. We were in some significant distress: one paddler was in a declining hypothermia regime, the other paddler's kayak had split seams and was taking on water, increasing his heat loss and frustration with our ability to make landfall. Other than that, we were unable to make that progress toward land given the strong net ebb, but weren't in immediate danger in my mind. The situation was deteriorating, but not exponentially. In the end, the triple Mayday eventually solicited the certain help we eventually would have needed no matter what. Night was approaching, and time was of the essence. What was said, how it was communicated, what protocols were or were not followed didn't matter much. The CG were glad we called as early as we did. The fine for a false Mayday is less than for using foul language over VHF channels I believe, and we did lots of swearing trying to get the CG to understand our situation (turns out the CG kept repeating their questions so as to verify our position and determine immediate threats to life). I'd say Andrew's Mayday was appropriate. A self-rescue in difficult seas, perhaps one undergoing multiple failure, surly rates as genuinely urgent. Get out as much information as you can in that first broadcast, speaking clearly, with force, and keep it succinct especially if in deep swell shadows. Keep repeating if able. Identify the number in your party. While many of us seem to have been demoted from citizen to taxpayer in modern democracies, utilizing the state's rescue resource doesn't seem disrespectful. Yes, you will probably suffer an ignoble fate media wise, but you live to fight another day. I imagine if Andrew had achieved a successful outside rescue, discussion in the paddling community would have been, to say the least, interesting. I wish the latter had come to pass as the only negative consequence to the crossing attempt. > Questions > > Matt's description of how easy it is to separate from the boat rings in my > ears. Bearing in mind that one doesn't impose requirements on anybody but > in terms of trying to maximise safety when paddling alone at sea what do > paddlewisers think of the following: - > > Distress Call question > > Doug's point to keep repeating the distress call is well made and I would > advocate that kayakers break the Mayday vs Pan rule and call Mayday from > the start of a distress call for a life threatening situation. This could > be a point of debate. My navy friends have said call Pan first then > Mayday. > Whatever the distress call I'd repeat it at the start of every response to > the coastguard if possible. What do others think? Yeah, if you are out in relatively begnin seas and having problems with your paddlefloat rescue after a wet exit (broke your paddle re-entering, now need to deploy your spare for another attempt), a Pan Pan might be in order. Out off the end of a wild headland, chances for self rescue doubtful, then sure, A mayday may be in order -- assuming this is your final backup plan. There are paddler's who accept their outcome free from reliance on the state. > Tether when alone at sea question > > What do people think about alway wearing a tether when paddling alone at > sea and what kind of tether. I take Doug's point and two of the most > experienced > paddlers in our club also say that it should be optional. But after > Andrew's > accident I'm not so sure that its wise for it to be taken off? And how to > set up a permanent tether that isn't also a hazard? Tethers? Why do we question tethers? Short of running a trailing line behing your boat that you might have a final chance of grabbing onto before your vessel blows out of sight or sails on for good leaving you adrift, tethers play a vital role for many deep water sailors. So the question is are tethers worthwile for paddlers in kayaks. Because there will always be an entaglement issue (which can rob precious moments of dexterity in an emergency during crucial momnets spent untangling, or even death from a fatal entanglement), tethers will always be an optional choice made individually. Most well trained/practiced paddlers are able to keep contact with their kayak post incident, even in rough seas. There are diminishing returns the longer you are in the water and the rougher it gets or the frequency of larger wave sets are considered. Which leads me to suspect Andrew was perhaps in a state of heightened fatigued or loosing strenght rapidy to eventually or suddenly loose contact with the kayak. If for some reason Andrew was undergoing failure at multiple attemps at re-entry, a teather would have allowed continued contact with the kayak, perhaps allowing insigation of the EPIRB. This is all specualtion of course. I use tethers as a back up to backups. I've been tagled up in one in cold water, and know the frustrations of using them. Chris Duff seems to have the most well-thought out person-to-boat tether. How well a tether would work with Andrew's need to move outside his vessel from time to time, or even put on more gear obviating the easy use of a teather, I don't know. Gets back to my other post about the inherent limitaions of typical kayaks for long crossings. > EPIRB when alone at sea question > > If trying to optimise safety would you always wear an EPIRB tethered to > the > PFD? I'm looking for a marine-use EPIRB for myself. Finding an affordable unit in a truly compact size for easy PFD inclusion has proven difficult at this time. I think if I ever attempted something like Andrew did, I'd carry a small backup raft with an EPIRB attached. I gave Andrew a 60/40 chance of making his crossing when it was originally alertened to us here on Paddlewise. I thought he'd need outside rescue for that 40% - I didn't really think he would expire like he did so close to his objective. I wanted to do a dangerous crossing a few years ago with a friend, after giving up the idea of going solo. He is a very competent paddler - both then and now. He said he would do it, but only with a chase boat (we would have needed a deep-water Zodiac). The cost would have been exorbitant, but especially it would have diluted the purity, challenge, and style of the trip completely (paddling with assistance avaliable close at hand). The trip never happened. There are a number of things Andrew could have done to mitigate the risks further. He made his choices and had to live (and die) with those same choices. He should have understood the ultimate consequences and possible need for outside rescue. In the end, he suffered far more than he thought he would have to, I believe. He did indeed call for assistance we believe. His modus operandi was what it was. In my own thinking, Andrew was not succesful. The crossing failed. That he almost made it doesn't count, though it may encourage others to tweek their approach and gear and re-attempt the crossing. And his attempt did redefine the possibilities, while demonstrating Andrew's drive to achive the seemingly impossible. That he called for outside assistance, is unfortunate, but understandable. No; in my mind Andrew's success was the way he was able to remain cohesive and positive, keep free from the undertow of panic, remain resolute and unconfused and organized through hours and hours of suffering as evidenced so far from the record. That differentiates the real success of Andrew's crossing attrempt, in as much as who and what he was as a man. Man's falability and frailty on the ocean has never been in question . Doug Lloyd (hoping I'm not using up too much bandwidth lately) Victoria BC *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************Received on Tue Mar 27 2007 - 12:46:57 PDT
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