"Whether or not one wears a pfd, particularly on the more benign paddles, should be a matter of personal choice - as should be decklines, bow lines, vhf radios, you name it. One cannot learn to make decisions if they are not allowed choices. " ------------------ I say let em all sink or swim the hard way! You take those 6 California kayakers that ALL CAPSIZED and ALL 6 of whom had to be rescued by the USCG and good sumeritans. I bet they all learned they don't need anything and don't need to learn anything! I bet they were all in wreck boats. Must be that CALIFORNIA style training Scott is pushing. Chuck Sutherland *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
skimmer wrote: >I say let em all sink or swim the hard way! You take those 6 >California kayakers that ALL CAPSIZED and ALL 6 of whom had to >be rescued by the USCG and good sumeritans. > Was there any information on how six kayakers all capsized at one time? Sounds like they were near the pier. I wonder if they were all rentals (there's a kayak rental business in the bay area but I don't know anything about them). Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
skimmer wrote: > "Whether or not one wears a pfd, particularly on the more benign > paddles, should be a matter of personal choice - as should be > decklines, bow lines, vhf radios, you name it. One cannot learn to > make decisions if they are not allowed choices. " > ------------------ > I say let em all sink or swim the hard way! You take those 6 > California kayakers that ALL CAPSIZED and ALL 6 of whom had to > be rescued by the USCG and good sumeritans. I bet they all > learned they don't need anything and don't need to learn anything! > I bet they were all in wreck boats. Must be that CALIFORNIA style > training Scott is pushing. Way out of line, Chuck. Scott's other major point was that he sees a lot of paddlers out there with very poor skills ... and that they need more training and experience in battle conditions. How about meeting the argument made head-on, instead of cherry-picking statements out of context? -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 3/20/2007 6:17:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kdruger_at_pacifier.com writes: Way out of line, Chuck. Scott's other major point was that he sees a lot of paddlers out there with very poor skills ... and that they need more training and experience in battle conditions. How about meeting the argument made head-on, instead of cherry-picking statements out of context? I see Scott's mesage as a Euclidean thing, there is no royal road to kayak safety. One must spend the hours, not the dimes, to be a safe operator, group member or leader. It's not the gadget, but the judgement. Like all purveyors of one flavor of Kool Aid or another, one must not be afraid to blend. That is my message. I don't think Chuck was out of line, we all see things differently, it's those in lock step I'm (fill in the blank) of. Cheers, Rob G ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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