A person is paddling his kayak and not wearing a PFD. A person is swimming beside him and not wearing a PFD. The one is considered unsafe the other not. Is it the kayak that is unsafe or the not wearing of the PFD? Cheers John Winters ---------------------------- I am not interested in the warm water debate! It is worth noting that the dissenters always jump back to the warm water environment. In the cold water environment, safe? The boater with or without the pfd doesn't matter. The swimmer will soon be missing! Where could John be? Cheers, Chuck Sutherland *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
skimmer wrote: > In > the cold water environment, safe? The boater with or without the pfd > doesn't matter. The swimmer will soon be missing! Where could > John be? Several people, including at least one disabled, have crossed Lake Ontario by swimming without a PFD. It typically takes something like 16-20 hours (52-78km depending on route). Temps down to 11C overnight for a recent crossing. The big difference is preparation. Kayakers who are expecting to dump and are trained probably can do without a PFD while someone who doesn't expect to swim might be in trouble regardless of temperatures. Ditto dressing for cold water. Having gone skinny dipping in 0C water or rolling in snow during sauna or hot tub sessions, I know that you don't immediately die in cold even if you're naked. YMMV. I always wear a PFD. It's easier than finding a place to store it. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Michael Daly wrote: > Having gone skinny dipping in 0C water or rolling in snow during sauna > or hot tub sessions, I know that you don't immediately die in cold even > if you're naked. YMMV. > I always wear a PFD. It's easier than finding a place to store it. Sheesh! Now I gotta take my PFD along to the hot tub!!?? [thanks, Mike, for a good laugh!] -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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