Couple of questions: 1. Manufactures and reviewers give maximum feet size that fit comfortably in their kayaks. With a sloping foredeck, doesn't the longer your legs get, the less accommodating the kayak becomes to a bigger foot size? Or, do all manufactures have an optimal, average bulkhead placement, and that's where the recommendation for foot placement and maximum size comes from? Also, maximum foot size doesn't seem to account for footwear, which can add a fair bit of length to your feet with some of these more aggressive water shoes being sold. 2. Are folks locating their spare paddle halves on their foredecks or rear deck. I understand the advantages and disadvantages, but was wondering what the bulk of kayakers do. Doug Lloyd Victoria BC *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> 2. Are folks locating their spare paddle halves on their foredecks > or rear deck. I understand the advantages and disadvantages, but > was wondering what the bulk of kayakers do. > GP goes on front deck. Its a one piece. Easier to grab if'n I screw up a roll or need to annoy someone by throwing it at them in a spear like fashion. Funny, I end up paddling alone a lot... Jim et al *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug, The spare paddle on the front deck is a better combat location, but generally, I don't like to look at it there (aesthetics beats readiness sometimes). So when I have a two-piece spare or use a single blade (canoe style) spare, it goes on the back deck, where I can still reach it, albeit not as quickly. But due to the back deck being shorter than the front deck, if the spare is a one-piece paddle, such as a G-stick, it goes on the front deck, where it won't hang over the end. As for foot room, I like to paddle barefoot to maximize foot room and comfort (with a foam pad for the back of the heels). If I need to make a rocky landing, I'll put my sandals on just before landing. Sometimes when rock gardening, I'll wear low profile booties, which don't take much foot room. My Point Bennett sea kayak won't fit wearing booties that are like hiking boots. Duane www.rollordrown.com Southern California *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug Lloyd wrote: > Or, do all manufactures have an optimal, average bulkhead > placement, and that's where the recommendation for foot placement and > maximum size comes from? Most seem to place the bulkhead to fit a person 7 feet tall, making the cockpit way too big for normal people. I moved the bulkhead on my Solstice way back when and would move the one on my current kayak, an Ellesmere, so I wouldn't need footpegs if only I had an appropriate place to do the work. I find that with my feet - size 13 (12 1/2 UK) - I end up just pointing my toes further forward than most. Very few kayaks "fit" my feet regardless of size. I can't wear footwear that has any kind of heel - that rules out almost all running-shoe-style water shoes. > 2. Are folks locating their spare paddle halves on their foredecks or > rear deck. I keep a Greenland storm paddle on the foredeck. Fits nice and flat and is easy to grab without contortions. immediately useful with no halves to put together. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mike, You wrote: > > Most seem to place the bulkhead to fit a person 7 feet tall, > making the > cockpit way too big for normal people. I moved the bulkhead on my > Solstice way back when and would move the one on my current kayak, an > Ellesmere, so I wouldn't need footpegs if only I had an appropriate > place to do the work. > How much did you move the bulkhead? Would it have made sense to just add a bulkhead and have a mini hatch area or did you effectively use the longer space in the front hatch area? Thanks, Bill Leonhardt *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Leonhardt, William J wrote: > How much did you move the bulkhead? About 6-8 inches. I had to replace the sliding footpegs, since the new bulkhead position prevented them from sliding. I used Seaward's gas-pedal style footpegs - a much better system, especially for someone who never uses the rudder. > Would it have made sense to just > add a bulkhead and have a mini hatch area or did you effectively use the > longer space in the front hatch area? I really got spoiled having a huge forward compartment. I briefly considered making a second bulkhead, but decided that replacing the existing one would be more flexible for loading. I didn't find that having more dry storage forward affected trim. Probably the biggest problem with the setup was when I sold the Solstice and used my Ellesmere exclusively. With 100 liters less total volume and considerably less dry storage, I had to downsize my gear. However, I find I have fewer packing problems now than with the Solstice! Less is more! Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
i am new and missed the previous discussion on the advantages of foredeck and aftdeck placment of the spare paddle and would appreciate a summary review of the pros and cons. Thank you, john horrell Santa Rosa, CA Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: 2. Are folks locating their spare paddle halves on their foredecks or rear deck. I understand the advantages and disadvantages, but was wondering what the bulk of kayakers do. Doug Lloyd Victoria BC --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I've got a new carbon fiber ergonomic split paddle. I think I'll plan on carrying it on the front deck using the pluming tubes - seems to be the savvy way to do it. All this light weight gear - it could be addictive. DL I have a 36" inseam and size 13 feet. I paddle Nordkapp Jubilee, NDK Poseidon, FC Khats, Explorer, Mega surf boat and a Pyranha Burn L. Footwear is always a problem. I usually use NRS Rodeo Socks. For WW, my Burn allows Teva river shoes of somewhat low pro cut. The portages or carryouts are sometimes difficult with the softer sole. By the way, all the brit boats have a standard 35" bulkhead, measured from the tip of the seat. As for the spare paddle, I use a pair of 90 degree pipe elbows and run them through the forward bungies. It is as surf resistant a system as I've found. When the splits are on the back deck, I've had some, but not much more snagging while under tow with a waist mounted belt. 2 of my boats have a fairlead and jam cleat that usually snag the rear splits causing the initial migration of the splits forward. I prefer grabbing the spare forward if the initial paddle has become lost. My chart is not covering the blades as I removed the deck line from a pair of recessed deck fittings that allows the chart case to slide back over my spraydeck. Works for me. Cheers, Rob G *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:20:20 -0700, "Doug Lloyd" <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> said: > I've got a new carbon fiber ergonomic split paddle. I think I'll plan on > carrying it on the front deck using the pluming tubes - seems to be the > savvy > way to do it. > > All this light weight gear - it could be addictive. If you are unlimited $$$ shopping. Epic has a nice looking 7.5 to 8 kg (16.5-18 pound) 6.5 meter (21'4") surf ski ;-) http://www.surfski.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=390&Itemid=129 You do end up giving up little things like storage, hatches, spray skirt, and your roll ;-) Welcome to the lite side. Be sure to bring your wallet.... -- Kirk Olsen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Couple of questions: > > 1. Manufactures and reviewers give maximum feet size that fit comfortably in > their kayaks. With a sloping foredeck, doesn't the longer your legs get, the > less accommodating the kayak becomes to a bigger foot size? Or, do all > manufactures have an optimal, average bulkhead placement, and that's where > the recommendation for foot placement and maximum size comes from? Also, > maximum foot size doesn't seem to account for footwear, which can add a fair > bit of length to your feet with some of these more aggressive water shoes > being sold. > > 2. Are folks locating their spare paddle halves on their foredecks or rear > deck. I understand the advantages and disadvantages, but was wondering what > the bulk of kayakers do. > > Doug Lloyd > Victoria BC I just ignored footsize and tested to see if my feet in my normal paddling footwear fit. As to the spare paddle, I place mine under the bungies on the rear deck. That way, when a wave washes it away, I won't notice and get all upset. -- Darryl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
1. No sea kayak offers the sheer foot discomfort of most white water kayaks and one of mine (an old Dagger I bought second-hand for river running) could be considered crippling. My feet are size US12 and I have rather long legs but I have never paddled a sea kayak that I thought was uncomfortable for my feet. It seems that my seated position while paddling has been affected by my w/w days since I paddle with my knees up against the foam under the deck and my toes pointed to the sides. That puts my tippy toes on the rudder pedals and my knees in position to edge the kayak. I could probably move that forward bulkhead way back but then I couldn't lay down and nap in the cockpit. 2. When I carry a spare paddle it goes on the after deck because the foredeck on my Nimbus Telkwa is shaped inconveniently for carrying much up there. I don't carry a spare paddle on smaller or medium lakes unless it's early spring with water near freezing. By the way, I noticed recently that turning a kayak using the rudder and pedals is almost exactly like steering a tail-dragger (airplane) down the taxiway. Kinda cool. Edging (on the kayak, not the tail dragger) ruins the effect though. <grin> Craig Jungers Royal City, WA On 4/30/07, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: > > Couple of questions: > > 1. Manufactures and reviewers give maximum feet size that fit comfortably > in > their kayaks. With a sloping foredeck, doesn't the longer your legs get, > the > less accommodating the kayak becomes to a bigger foot size? Or, do all > manufactures have an optimal, average bulkhead placement, and that's where > the recommendation for foot placement and maximum size comes from? Also, > maximum foot size doesn't seem to account for footwear, which can add a > fair > bit of length to your feet with some of these more aggressive water shoes > being sold. > > 2. Are folks locating their spare paddle halves on their foredecks or rear > deck. I understand the advantages and disadvantages, but was wondering > what > the bulk of kayakers do. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I haven't learned to roll yet but am pretty comfortable with solo rescue. So I try to keep the rear deck free. I only keep the paddle float there and carry the spare paddle forward. I imagine though that even if (oops, I mean when) I learn to roll I'll keep the back deck clear just in case. Jordan Engel *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Just as a friendly word of caution, I've seen 2 paddlefloats stored on the rear deck unravel from waves and since both were tethered to the deck lines, the floats filled with water and pinned them to the waves. One broached and capsized. He did roll up eventually. The other broached to the seas and went, 'eeeeeeeeeeeekkkkk', and required someone to lift the bag with its water onto the deck for a quick dumping before underway again. If you carry a paddlefloat on deck, my suggestion is to put it on like you mean it to stay on deck, or secure it inside your cockpit. Cheers, Rob G -----Original Message----- From: jengel_at_gmavt.net I haven't learned to roll yet but am pretty comfortable with solo rescue. So I try to keep the rear deck free. I only keep the paddle float there and carry the spare paddle forward. I imagine though that even if (oops, I mean when) I learn to roll I'll keep the back deck clear just in case. Jordan Engel *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I keep mine bungied to the after bulkhead in the cockpit, where it is out of the sun as well as out of the waves, yet easy to reach from within the cockpit or while in the water. Chuck Holst > Just as a friendly word of caution, I've seen 2 paddlefloats stored on the > rear deck unravel from waves and since both were tethered to the deck > lines, the floats filled with water and pinned them to the waves. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
You wrote regarding paddlefloats: > > I keep mine bungied to the after bulkhead in the cockpit, > where it is out > of the sun as well as out of the waves, yet easy to reach > from within the > cockpit or while in the water. > > Chuck Holst > Chuck, I think this has merit in that it keeps the float out of the sun and possibly prolongs its life. There is a downside however. If someone else had to be rescued and you wanted to loan them your paddlefloat, you would have to undo your sprayskirt to get to the float. If that same person needed your float because conditions were bad and they went for a swim, you might be reluctant to undo your skirt. Of course you might try other rescue techniques. I just thought I'd point out a down side to the under-the-skirt storage. Bill Leonhardt *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
If someone else needed help, I would do a boat-to-boat assisted rescue rather than dig out the paddle float. As someone else pointed out, it is faster. Alternately, I might offer my paddle for a reentry and side-by-side Eskimo rescue, if I knew the person had practised Eskimo rescues. (The first time I did this with my wife, when I was backed into a corner of the pool and couldn't offer my bow, she grasped the concept -- and the paddle -- immediately and rolled up though she had never heard of the side Eskimo rescue. Of course, she was ready to grasp at straws by then.) As for how I fastened the bungies to the bulkhead, I don't have any pictures, but maybe I can create a word picture or two. I use homemade fittings. You will need four: 1. Take a section of small-diameter, hollow, aluminum tent pole and roughen the outside with coarse sandpaper. 2. Lay it on a heavy-duty plastic bag, wet it out with epoxy resin, and drape fiberglass cloth over it. 3. Thoroughly saturate the cloth with the resin, cover it with clear plastic, and lay a piece of two-by-four or a brick on either side of the pole, flattening the cloth and snugging it up against the pole. 4. After the resin has cured, cut the pole into pieces about 3/4 inch long. 5. Trim the fiberglass, round the sharp edges with sandpaper, and roughen the bottom of each fitting. 6. Now epoxy the fittings to the bulkhead in two pairs. In each pair, the fittings are in line with each other, and they are aligned vertically on the bulkhead. Leave at least 1/4 inch of space between the fitting and any adjacent surface, such as the hull or the underside of the coaming. 7. Thread a length of small-diameter bungie cord through each pair of fittings, knot one end, adjust the tension, and knot the other end. 8. You now have two bungie cords (shock cords, elastics) mounted vertically on the bulkhead. Fold paddle float and insert. Needless to say, this works best on fiberglass bulkheads. Chuck Holst *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Kirk Olsen once gave me a golden tip on where to store a fleece hat for winter paddling in case I dunked and needed it fast. Stick it between your life vest and chest. I have had to use this before in real life and it worked wonderfully. A carefully folded paddle float could be kept the same way and would be be available in an instant. I think if a paddler has any trouble using/holding on to/deploying a paddle float they probably wont succeed in using it in real conditions. Their buddies will have to get them back in the saddle and going again. Pick your buddies wisely and keep your deck as clean as possible. The only thing on my deck is a spare GP. If I break my Aleut or lose my grip on it I am certain that short of a broken bone I can remove it from under the bungies and roll up with it. Absolutely certain. The broken bone scenario consists of punching out and hoping for rescue. I should be able to walk in through the surf and hobble over to really hot coed, make her think I am her uncle in black neoprene and shorts, and hope she has a cell phone. But I digress... Jim et al > If someone else needed help, I would do a boat-to-boat assisted rescue > rather than dig out the paddle float. As someone else pointed out, > it is > faster. > Chuck Holst *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
James Farrelly wrote: > The broken bone > scenario consists of punching out and hoping for rescue. I should be > able to walk in through the surf and hobble over to a really hot coed, > make her think I am her uncle in black neoprene and shorts, and hope she > has a cell phone. But I digress... Unless there's a northerly breeze, in which case you'll hobble onto Myrtle Island instead of Tybee Beach, and the coed is more likely to be a possum. Steve -- Steve Cramer Athens, GA http://www.savvypaddler.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
cholst_at_bitstream.net wrote: > I use homemade fittings. You will need four: Holy cow - you have a lot of time on your hands :-) My approach was simpler. My paddle float has a Fastex buckle to close it around the paddle shaft. I use this to attach to the rear of the seat. I get a matching Fastex buckle and make a loop of webbing to attach each half of the buckle to either side of the seat back (you could wrap the webbing around the seat pillar if you want. Then I just roll up the paddle float and wrap it in a rubber band to keep it rolled. Clip the buckle halves on the paddle float to the halves on the seat and you're done. <http://www.greatlakeskayaker.ca/paddleFloatAttach.htm> Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> I keep mine bungied to the after bulkhead in the cockpit, where it is out > of the sun as well as out of the waves, yet easy to reach from within the > cockpit or while in the water. Do you have a picture of that setup? I've been thinking of doing something like that but i'm not sure what would work best. One thought was a square or rectangular mesh bag attched to the bulkhead some how at four corners with the draw string opening pointing upwards. -mike -- mike Dziobak Dept of Civil and Environmental Engineering Michigan Technological University 1400 Townsend Dr. 870 Dow Bldg. Houghton, MI 49931 Tel:906-487-3471 Fax:906-487-2943 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[Please remove all old content that is not pertinent to your reply including old headers and footers. It's list policy.... this post was modified to meet policy] Thanks for the warning Rob. I've been using a solid paddle float for the last couple years as the thought of floating around in a raging sea while trying to blow up the damn thing sounded pretty daunting. Jordan On May 1, 2007, at 9:39 PM, rcgibbert_at_aol.com wrote: > Just as a friendly word of caution, I've seen 2 paddlefloats stored > on the rear deck unravel from waves and since both were tethered to > the deck lines, the floats filled with water and pinned them to the > waves. One broached and capsized. He did roll up eventually. The > other broached to the seas and went, 'eeeeeeeeeeeekkkkk', and > required someone to lift the bag with its water onto the deck for a > quick dumping before underway again. If you carry a paddlefloat on > deck, my suggestion is to put it on like you mean it to stay on > deck, or secure it inside your cockpit. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I have a 36" inseam and size 13 feet. I paddle Nordkapp Jubilee, NDK Poseidon, FC Khats, Explorer, Mega surf boat and a Pyranha Burn L. Footwear is always a problem. I usually use NRS Rodeo Socks. For WW, my Burn allows Teva river shoes of somewhat low pro cut. The portages or carryouts are sometimes difficult with the softer sole. By the way, all the brit boats have a standard 35" bulkhead, measured from the tip of the seat. As for the spare paddle, I use a pair of 90 degree pipe elbows and run them through the forward bungies. It is as surf resistant a system as I've found. When the splits are on the back deck, I've had some, but not much more snagging while under tow with a waist mounted belt. 2 of my boats have a fairlead and jam cleat that usually snag the rear splits causing the initial migration of the splits forward. I prefer grabbing the spare forward if the initial paddle has become lost. My chart is not covering the blades as I removed the deck line from a pair of recessed deck fittings that allows the chart case to slide back over my spraydeck. Works for me. Cheers, Rob G -----Original Message----- From: douglloyd_at_shaw.ca Couple of questions: 1. Manufactures and reviewers give maximum feet size that fit comfortably in their kayaks. With a sloping foredeck, doesn't the longer your legs get, the less accommodating the kayak becomes to a bigger foot size? Or, do all manufactures have an optimal, average bulkhead placement, and that's where the recommendation for foot placement and maximum size comes from? Also, maximum foot size doesn't seem to account for footwear, which can add a fair bit of length to your feet with some of these more aggressive water shoes being sold. 2. Are folks locating their spare paddle halves on their foredecks or rear deck. I understand the advantages and disadvantages, but was wondering what the bulk of kayakers do. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Like many kayakers these days, I carry a Greenland storm paddle as a spare on my foredeck. The placement makes it easy to grab and roll up with it if I lose my main paddle (practice!). If you do carry a storm paddle as a spare, be sure to practice the sliding stroke until you can do it without thinking. If your main paddle breaks or is lost, you might have to depend on the storm paddle to get you home. Also, put a large bead on your foremost bungie cord to hold the bungie a little off the deck and make it easy to insert the paddle from the cockpit. Regarding bulkheads, I was fortunate to buy a Romany Explorer that had had the forward bulkhead moved back at the factory. (The fellow who had ordered it had rejected it because the bulkhead was in the wrong place, but it was just right for me.) If you can wait several months, ordering a new kayak with a custom bulkhead placement is by far the easiest way to go. If it weren't for the extra six inches or so, I don't think I could get my tarp poles into the boat. Speaking of Romanys, last weekend a 1996 Explorer went for $1775 at the used kayak auction at Midwest Mountaineering's Outdoor Expo. It must have been in storage most of that time, because it had hardly a scratch on it. On the other hand, the new Romanys in the store had coamings that were set too low to get a spray skirt under, a flaw for which I returned my first Romany in 1995. Chuck Holst *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 5/2/2007 10:08:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cholst_at_bitstream.net writes: I keep mine bungied to the after bulkhead in the cockpit, where it is out of the sun as well as out of the waves, yet easy to reach from within the cockpit or while in the water. Chuck Holst Smart place, Chuck. Mine fits perfectly in between the seat hanger and the hull. Out of the way but accessible. Cheers, Rob G ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 5/2/2007 10:59:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wjleonhardt_at_bnl.gov writes: I think this has merit in that it keeps the float out of the sun and possibly prolongs its life. There is a downside however. If someone else had to be rescued and you wanted to loan them your paddlefloat, you would have to undo your sprayskirt to get to the float. If that same person needed your float because conditions were bad and they went for a swim, you might be reluctant to undo your skirt. Of course you might try other rescue techniques. I just thought I'd point out a down side to the under-the-skirt storage. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill, I can't think of a single reason why I'd want to sit around in bumpy water waiting for someone to borrow and blow up my paddlefloat to rescue themselves. Perhaps my pet duck Daffy can fly it into a super tight rock garden, drop it off and we can all await the inevitable self-extrication, but otherwise, I'm in need of some guidance here. Cheers, Rob G ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 5/2/07, Rcgibbert_at_aol.com <Rcgibbert_at_aol.com> wrote: > > > I can't think of a single reason why I'd want to sit around in bumpy water > waiting for someone to borrow and blow up my paddlefloat to rescue > themselves. > Perhaps my pet duck Daffy can fly it into a super tight rock garden, drop > it > off and we can all await the inevitable self-extrication, but otherwise, > I'm > in need of some guidance here. > I can see trained ducks becoming the "in" accessory for the rock-garden enthusiast; somewhat like fishing with cormorants in Asia. Just watch out during hunting season. <grin> Craig Jungers Royal City, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Rob, Here's my thinking here, although I admit that the likelyhood of this happening is small. I don't usually paddle in rock gardens, but I have been with groups far from shore and the weather has turned sour fast. When I paddle, I try to take along all the gear I need as if I were paddling alone. I have been with groups, however, where others didn't embrace that approach. I could imagine a group of paddlers where a few were in the water and I was trying to help them out. If one of them could do a self rescue but didn't bring a paddlefloat, I could let them use my paddlefloat while I was helping someone else. Even if they did bring a paddlefloat, it could have become untethered and blown away. Perhaps it would be better to just steady the kayak of a swimmer and let them climb back in one at a time instead of loaning out gear and helping people in parallel. I don't know. Anyway, that's what was going through my mind when I responded to Chuck. Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill, I can't think of a single reason why I'd want to sit around in bumpy water waiting for someone to borrow and blow up my paddlefloat to rescue themselves. Perhaps my pet duck Daffy can fly it into a super tight rock garden, drop it off and we can all await the inevitable self-extrication, but otherwise, I'm in need of some guidance here. Cheers, Rob G *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Epic, eh? I like the Zen boat: http://www.zensport.co.nz/net/product/details.aspx?p=8 Cool rudder option, too. http://www.zensport.co.nz/net/product/details.aspx?p=6 So, I thought the idea of having a carbon sea kayak and converting to as much carbon equipment as possible was so my net weight would stay the same but allow me to buy and carry even more gear! :-) DL > On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:20:20 -0700, "Doug Lloyd" <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> > said: >> I've got a new carbon fiber ergonomic split paddle. I think I'll plan on >> carrying it on the front deck using the pluming tubes - seems to be the >> savvy >> way to do it. >> >> All this light weight gear - it could be addictive. > > If you are unlimited $$$ shopping. Epic has a nice looking 7.5 to 8 kg > (16.5-18 pound) 6.5 meter (21'4") surf ski ;-) > http://www.surfski.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=390&Itemid=129 > > You do end up giving up little things like storage, hatches, spray > skirt, and your roll ;-) > > Welcome to the lite side. Be sure to bring your wallet.... > > > -- > Kirk Olsen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, 02 May 2007 22:34:17 -0700, "Doug Lloyd" <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> said: > Epic, eh? I like the Zen boat: > http://www.zensport.co.nz/net/product/details.aspx?p=8 Where's the weight? The epic I refered to was 7.5 to 8 kg. > Cool rudder option, too. > > http://www.zensport.co.nz/net/product/details.aspx?p=6 Bulkheads? That's looking like a drybag boat to me. I wouldn't want to swim in surf with a drybag boat. I know you can tie drybags into the boat, I simply prefer sealed hull compartments. The zen looks like a fun go fast boat. Are you ready to give up some turning ability? Although you are used to the tanker, I mean, Nordkapp. > So, I thought the idea of having a carbon sea kayak and converting to as > much carbon equipment as possible was so my net weight would stay the > same but allow me to buy and carry even more gear! :-) Now that's not the thought process of a true go-lite weenie ;-) If it doesn't fit in your pfd, or fanny pack it's excess. Sealed hull boat, tether, flares, radio/cell phone, water, food, whistle. What more is there ;-) You're only a day paddler, in a populated area right.... I would have to spend time with the Epic V10E before I would trust it. I've owned one underbuilt boat, trusting your hull is a good thing... Kirk -- Kirk Olsen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[Please remove all old content that is not pertinent to your reply including old headers and footers. It's list policy.... this post was modified to meet policy] On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:20:20 -0700, "Doug Lloyd" <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> said: > I've got a new carbon fiber ergonomic split paddle. I think I'll plan on > carrying it on the front deck using the pluming tubes - seems to be the > savvy way to do it. I'd like to stow my spare paddle on the front deck (a re-entry last year convinced me that I don't want anything on the back deck), and also limit the number of accidental scratches from the ferrule on my two-part paddle. Does anyone have a picture or description of an earlier mention about using plumbing tubes? It sounds like that may solve both my problems. Thanks! -Caryl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Gordin's blog certainly gave a good examlpe. I'll have to play with this idea some more, as stated earlier. I formally liked my spare paddle on the rear deck, where I ran no less that three over-straps with individual Fastex buckles to keep the spare form shifting or dissapearing in heavy, open coat surf landings, etc. Made the spare halves harder to retrieve, obviously, especially if I had extra gear under the straps and on top of the spare paddle halves. Maybe the GP spare on the foredeck has merit too. A smaller blade area would be less likely to have the paddle rip of the deck, unlike two Euro paddle halves. DL > On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:20:20 -0700, "Doug Lloyd" <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> > said: >> I've got a new carbon fiber ergonomic split paddle. I think I'll plan on >> carrying it on the front deck using the pluming tubes - seems to be the >> savvy way to do it. > > I'd like to stow my spare paddle on the front deck (a re-entry last year > convinced me that I don't want anything on the back deck), and also limit > the number of accidental scratches from the ferrule on my two-part paddle. > > Does anyone have a picture or description of an earlier mention about > using plumbing tubes? It sounds like that may solve both my problems. > > Thanks! > -Caryl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 5/3/2007 5:41:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wjleonhardt_at_bnl.gov writes: Here's my thinking here, although I admit that the likelyhood of this happening is small. I don't usually paddle in rock gardens, but I have been with groups far from shore and the weather has turned sour fast. When I paddle, I try to take along all the gear I need as if I were paddling alone. I have been with groups, however, where others didn't embrace that approach. I could imagine a group of paddlers where a few were in the water and I was trying to help them out. If one of them could do a self rescue but didn't bring a paddlefloat, I could let them use my paddlefloat while I was helping someone else. Even if they did bring a paddlefloat, it could have become untethered and blown away. Perhaps it would be better to just steady the kayak of a swimmer and let them climb back in one at a time instead of loaning out gear and helping people in parallel. I don't know. Anyway, that's what was going through my mind when I responded to Chuck. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you take more than a minute to execute a complete assisted rescue, it should be further practiced. In an 'All In' rescue, your equipment could help someone else out, however, why risk carrying it in a place where it is far likelier to do harm than what you intended it for? By assisting someone else you are holding onto that boat, so no additional need for stability. If the 3rd car in the train wreck is close enough for you to be distributing equipment to like some aquatic quartermaster, can't they just swim their boat over to you to wait for the other guy to finish? A paddlefloat rescue takes forever and a day as it is, compared to an assisted rescue. Just pull the deck back a bit and get the float and hand it to him in the odd case that with a paddlefloat he can be faster than you completing your rescue. I like gear, trust me on that. However, gear has as much potential to harm as it does to do good. This is especially true if you insist on carrying it on deck, where it can fail or trip you much more reliably than satisfying the odd rescue scenario. By the way, that person that went ' eeeeekkk' because her paddlefloat slipped off her deckline, filled with water and became a drogue, pinning her to the waves, a position she was unable to get herself out of, I asked her what she was doing when I saw her wrapping it around her decklines prior to launch. She saw some video and it extolled the virtues of doing so. I asked her if she thought we would all be waiting around watching her do a paddlefloat rescue. She still insisted. I asked her to make sure it doesn't come off. I was given one of those 'looks'. Well, ok. Cheers, Rob G ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Yes, I realize the Zen isn't a sit-on-top surf ski. But not everyone lives in California, Hawaii, or South Africa. :-) I take it surf skis are fast due to waterline length and narrow width. I find I can keep up fine with most paddlers in longer kayaks that my Nordkapp (longer waterline) but I do get tired by the end of a long day keeping pace. Some boats I can't pass, like a Seda Glider, despite valiant efforts. However, once seas and wind build significantly, I can run circles around these guys in my kayak. I like the idea of going lighter; maybe I should pick up a plastic Tempest locally, cheap, for rock garden play. Problem is, I like to rock garden play on remote trips, with all my gear aboard. Kayaks are so specific. It is hard to find a boat that can do it all. The new P&H boats look promising. The new Cetus even has a sandwich hatch on the foredeck like I designed into my Nordkapp. Hopefully a Cetus LV will come out one day. Check out the cool black Carbon/Kevlar P&H at the bottom. http://www.savannahcanoeandkayak.com/p&h%20sea%20kayaks.htm As you can tell, I'm at a crossroads with sea kayaking right now, in terms of design, construction, and fitness paddling vs play vs tripping. Duane certainly comes up with his own homemade boats that I assume perform well (not sure if he kept the Elsmere that he modified with a longer skeg portion on the keel). I could build a very nice marine ply/glass boat faster than a strip, well budgeted, and maybe built it like the Betsy Bay boys do, with stronger epoxy fillets at the chines. I'd build mine with more glass layers though. Thing is, I also know paddlers who have built ply boats, them moved on to strip built, then finally just bought a fiberglass kayak. (To me, SOF's are for fun rolling and other traditional pursuits). Doug L > On Wed, 02 May 2007 22:34:17 -0700, "Doug Lloyd" <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> > said: >> Epic, eh? I like the Zen boat: >> http://www.zensport.co.nz/net/product/details.aspx?p=8 > > Where's the weight? The epic I refered to was 7.5 to 8 kg. > >> Cool rudder option, too. >> >> http://www.zensport.co.nz/net/product/details.aspx?p=6 > > Bulkheads? > > That's looking like a drybag boat to me. I wouldn't want to swim in > surf with a drybag boat. > > I know you can tie drybags into the boat, I simply prefer sealed hull > compartments. > > The zen looks like a fun go fast boat. Are you ready to give up some > turning ability? Although you are used to the tanker, I mean, Nordkapp. > >> So, I thought the idea of having a carbon sea kayak and converting to as >> much carbon equipment as possible was so my net weight would stay the >> same but allow me to buy and carry even more gear! :-) > > Now that's not the thought process of a true go-lite weenie ;-) > > If it doesn't fit in your pfd, or fanny pack it's excess. > > Sealed hull boat, tether, flares, radio/cell phone, water, food, > whistle. What more is there ;-) > > You're only a day paddler, in a populated area right.... > > I would have to spend time with the Epic V10E before I would trust it. > I've owned one underbuilt boat, trusting your hull is a good thing... > > Kirk > -- > Kirk Olsen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, 03 May 2007 20:45:30 -0700, "Doug Lloyd" <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> said: > Yes, I realize the Zen isn't a sit-on-top surf ski. But not everyone > lives in California, Hawaii, or South Africa. :-) I'm in Massachusetts. Water temp is up to 47 fahrenheit, 8 celsius. I've been on the water for about 6 weeks. Some of the other surf ski paddlers only skipped February. 2 weeks ago we spent a couple hours in nauset inlet(cape cod) surfing the 3 foot waves where the outgoing inlet current made nice steep waves (wave faces were above the top paddle blade and head of my paddling companion). With the surf ski you are more likely to dress for immersion since there's frequently water in the cockpit area, the venturi bailers work great so the cockpit drains quickly. > I take it surf skis are fast due to waterline length and narrow width. That's pretty much it. Boat weights are also low. The "winner" of the paddling division for this years watertribe everglades challege was on a surf ski - 303 miles in 3 days 2 hours. http://race.fit2paddle.com/C741445042/E20070314202642/index.html At the very end of the article he concedes a strong sea kayaker should be able to beat his time - the stability of a sea kayak may be more advantageous than the faster hull speed of his racing surf ski. > find I can keep up fine with most paddlers in longer kayaks that my > Nordkapp (longer waterline) but I do get tired by the end of a long day keeping > pace. Some boats I can't pass, like a Seda Glider, despite valiant efforts. > However, once seas and wind build significantly, I can run circles around > these guys in my kayak. That's because with a 100+ pound boat the wind can't move you ;-) > I like the idea of going lighter; maybe I should pick up a plastic > Tempest locally, cheap, for rock garden play. Problem is, I like to rock garden > play on remote trips, with all my gear aboard. Kayaks are so specific. It is > hard to find a boat that can do it all. No boat can do it all. The 3 or 4 boat quiver gets closer... The quick turning bullet proof rock garden boat/rolling machine, the 2 week tripping boat, and the lightweight deep water downwind run boats just don't seem to overlap. As a rough water or go-fast fitness paddler I definitely have my bias. For me storage is not in the top 10 requirements, and I've chosen the option of going 7+ knots over being able to spend time in a rock garden. > The new P&H boats look promising. The new Cetus even has a sandwich hatch > on the foredeck like I designed into my Nordkapp. Hopefully a Cetus LV will > come out one day. Check out the cool black Carbon/Kevlar P&H at the > bottom. > > http://www.savannahcanoeandkayak.com/p&h%20sea%20kayaks.htm That is definitely a cool looking boat. The 22" beam sounds more like a fishing platform (from my highly biased stupidly tippy perspective). Although if I wanted a tripping boat that would definitely be on my short list to demo. > As you can tell, I'm at a crossroads with sea kayaking right now, in > terms of design, construction, and fitness paddling vs play vs tripping. Duane > certainly comes up with his own homemade boats that I assume perform well > (not sure if he kept the Elsmere that he modified with a longer skeg > portion on the keel). I could build a very nice marine ply/glass boat faster than > a strip, well budgeted, and maybe built it like the Betsy Bay boys do, with > stronger epoxy fillets at the chines. I'd build mine with more glass > layers though. Knowing of your woodworking skills (we'll ignore those finger incidents ;-) I'm very surprised you haven't built a plywood/glass boat. I would think you could crank one out quickly. Kirk -- Kirk Olsen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Uh oh, the beam on my boat's 23.5". Must be a gargage scow! > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Olsen > That is definitely a cool looking boat. The 22" beam sounds more like a > fishing platform (from my highly biased stupidly tippy perspective). *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, 4 May 2007 06:54:27 -0700, "Mark Sanders" <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com> said: > > From: Kirk Olsen > > That is definitely a cool looking boat. The 22" beam sounds more like a > > fishing platform (from my highly biased stupidly tippy perspective). > Uh oh, the beam on my boat's 23.5". Must be a gargage scow! Naah, that's a photography platform, you could probably mount a camera mast on it ;-) http://vidshadow.com/video_player.asp?videoid=3039 -- Kirk Olsen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Kirk said (snip): > I'm in Massachusetts. Water temp is up to 47 fahrenheit, 8 celsius. > I've been on the water for about 6 weeks. Some of the other surf ski > paddlers only skipped February. 2 weeks ago we spent a couple hours in > nauset inlet(cape cod) surfing the 3 foot waves where the outgoing inlet > current made nice steep waves (wave faces were above the top paddle > blade and head of my paddling companion). With the surf ski you are > more likely to dress for immersion since there's frequently water in the > cockpit area, the venturi bailers work great so the cockpit drains > quickly. > Okay, okay! I'm impressed. :-) But how do you stay on top of a surf ski? I can't imagine life without thigh braces. Or is it like riding a bike - just keep moving forward? These guys seem to be doing okay: http://www.surfskischool.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=2 >> The new P&H boats look promising. The new Cetus even has a sandwich hatch >> on the foredeck like I designed into my Nordkapp. Hopefully a Cetus LV >> will >> come out one day. Check out the cool black Carbon/Kevlar P&H at the >> bottom. >> >> http://www.savannahcanoeandkayak.com/p&h%20sea%20kayaks.htm > > That is definitely a cool looking boat. The 22" beam sounds more like a > fishing platform (from my highly biased stupidly tippy perspective). > Although if I wanted a tripping boat that would definitely be on my > short list to demo. Surf ski paddlers are a narrow-minded lot, aren't they? :-) I suppose North American manufactures will continue to come out with more and more "Brit" style boats too, both play-sized and expedition-volumed. I see Nimbus has a new one coming out (Ice Kap) that I first saw on Sterling Donalson's site: http://sterlingskayak.com/Manufacturing.shtml >> As you can tell, I'm at a crossroads with sea kayaking right now, in >> terms of design, construction, and fitness paddling vs play vs tripping. >> Duane >> certainly comes up with his own homemade boats that I assume perform well >> (not sure if he kept the Elsmere that he modified with a longer skeg >> portion on the keel). I could build a very nice marine ply/glass boat >> faster than >> a strip, well budgeted, and maybe built it like the Betsy Bay boys do, >> with >> stronger epoxy fillets at the chines. I'd build mine with more glass >> layers though. > > Knowing of your woodworking skills (we'll ignore those finger incidents > ;-) > I'm very surprised you haven't built a plywood/glass boat. I would > think you could > crank one out quickly. Yeah...still affraid of chine damage and paddelability without the hull section profile I'm used to. Hey, I think digitus-longevitus should be aided now that I have oxygen flowing to the brain again and good hemodynamic perfusion, though I did opt for the pig valve to negate blood thinner use - given that I'll still be woodworking. :-) BTW, I did consider prepreg nomex for a possible self-built Nordkapp, but my kitchen oven won't fit the full length for curing. And, the other alternative, epoxy infusion, seems awefully daunting and a poor economy for a one-time build. Doug L *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, 04 May 2007 23:41:05 -0700, "Doug Lloyd" <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> said: > Kirk said (snip): > > I'm in Massachusetts. I've been on the water for about 6 weeks. > > Okay, okay! I'm impressed. :-) My point was it's not just a warm weather boat. "Impressing" you was a bonus ;-) > But how do you stay on top of a surf ski? I can't imagine life without > thigh braces. Or is it like riding a bike - just keep moving forward? It's more difficult - the transition is tough from a decked kayak - much easier from an open canoe. I balance by pushing down on the opposite butt cheek instead of pulling up with the onside knee. > http://www.surfskischool.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=2 http://www.surfski.info has some links to some good videos. > > That is definitely a cool looking boat. The 22" beam sounds more like a > > fishing platform (from my highly biased stupidly tippy perspective). > > Although if I wanted a tripping boat that would definitely be on my > > short list to demo. > > Surf ski paddlers are a narrow-minded lot, aren't they? :-) To push discussion being a highly biased is useful.. > I suppose North American manufactures will continue to come out with more > and more "Brit" style boats too, both play-sized and expedition-volumed. > I see Nimbus has a new one coming out (Ice Kap) that I first saw on > Sterling > Donalson's site: > > http://sterlingskayak.com/Manufacturing.shtml One of the people on the surf ski mailing list recently lamented that the North American market is 5 to 8 years behind the southern hemisphere in terms of what was available for performance boats - for both multisport racing and surf skis. There are rotomolded surf skis available in Australia and South Africa, none that I'm aware of in the northern hemisphere. Most of the rotomolded sit no tops in north america seem to be geared toward the fishing market. It would be nice to see an inexpensive quasi performance sit on top. > Yeah...still affraid of chine damage and paddelability without the hull > section profile I'm used to. Hey, I think digitus-longevitus should be > aided now that I have oxygen flowing to the brain again and good hemodynamic > perfusion, though I did opt for the pig valve to negate blood thinner use > - given that I'll still be woodworking. :-) Build yourself a hard chine boat and beat the crap out of it on one of your local walk out padde spots to see if you trust it. > BTW, I did consider prepreg nomex for a possible self-built Nordkapp, but > my kitchen oven won't fit the full length for curing. I've got a local kayak company with a prepreg nomex system. If you have a similar company in your area it might be possible to rent time using it, if they have some downtime. I'll be demoing one of their kayaks this afternoon - I hope the water's lumpy ;-) Kirk -- Kirk Olsen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I would think it would only take a hint of oilcanning to turn a rotomolded surfski into a sea-going corkscrew. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net > [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net]On Behalf Of Kirk Olsen > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 6:54 AM > To: Doug Lloyd; paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Happy feet/ spare paddle storage > > There are rotomolded surf skis available in Australia and South Africa, none that I'm aware of in the northern hemisphere. Most of the rotomolded sit no tops in north america seem to be geared toward the fishing market. It would be nice to see an inexpensive quasi performance sit on top. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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