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From: E sullivan <sullied33_at_hotmail.com> subject: [Paddlewise] Oregon Sea Caves? Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:09:14 -0700 · This archive was generated by hypermail 2.4.0 : Thu Aug 21 2025 - 16:33:45 PDT

A buddy wants to go rockfishing, and I want to paddle some caves. Any 
recommendations for the North coast? We're coming from Portland.

Thanks

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Subject: PaddleWise V1 #2856
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 07:11:14 -0700
>PaddleWise Wednesday, July 4 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2856
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>[Paddlewise] Musings about rudders
>RE: [Paddlewise] Re: CO2 output
>Re: [Paddlewise] New Hampshire and Mass paddling
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>Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:50:36 +0200
>From: Tord Eriksson <tord_at_tord.nu>
>Subject: [Paddlewise] Musings about rudders
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>I am just wondering about those kayaks that
>have both a retractable skeg and a rudder (retractable
>as well, of course) - what's the logic behind ?! A lot
>of lines and, more things that can go wrong!
>
>Wouldn't a down-lockable rudder (at the same time
>locking the pedals) be simpler and better -
>as then it would work both as a skeg and
>as a rudder?!
>
>If our basic kayak is extremely course steady - say by
>having nil rocker wouldn't a forward skeg be nice :-)!
>
>We have found that our huge Klepper XXL turns on a dime
>(Ok, big dime!) with leeboard down in combination with
>the rudder (or paddle, or both) - in fact it turns sharper than
>the two feet shorter Aerius II, probably due to lower draft
>(we weigh just 20 lbs more when we use the XXL, compared
>to the Aerius II, but has a lot of more packing volume - nice)!
>
>Tord
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>Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:53:04 +0000
>From: rebyl_kayak_at_energysustained.com
>Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Re: CO2 output
>
>Mike wrote: -
> >resource price at the wellhead is zero -
> >no one pays Mother Earth
>
>Peter Chopelas wrote: -
> >The lower the purchase and ownership costs,
> >the less the resources consumed. This should
> >also correspond to a lower carbon "foot print".
>
>G'day,
>
>The following will prove that I'm neither an economist or a Life Cycle 
>analyst:~)
>
>The sort of approaches you both suggest are similar to one I've tried that 
>subtracts profit margins and wages (including taxes) from every part of a 
>product's value chain and then makes the assumption that "no-one pays 
>mother earth" and that all infrastructure and material costs are ultimately 
>spent on energy.
>
>Of course this assumption can break down. For example if you built a kayak 
>out of concrete that gives off CO2 as it sets.
>
>But concrete kayaks aside and making some rough estimates based on a guess 
>that the wages and profit margin for all stages contributing to the 
>manufacture of a kayak are about 67%. Then the remaining 33% could be 
>attributed to an energy cost. I came to the conclusion that the cost of 
>energy going into manufacturing the boat was probably about 30% of the cost 
>of energy used in transporting it during its working life.
>
>So if one wanted to calculate a carbon offset value then Dave is almost 
>certainly right that the difference between manufacturing techniques is not 
>worth considering. But it does seem possible that the energy used in making 
>a kayak is significant.
>
>It would be interesting to have better estimates of profit margins, wages, 
>and the average cost of fuel used in transporting a kayak during its 
>working life.
>
>All the best, PeterO
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>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:33:24 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Marilyn Kircus <mkircus_at_sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Hampshire and Mass paddling
>
>I brought my fast little solo canoe and both single and double blades with 
>me to Groton, MA and am looking for both suggestions for interesting 
>paddles and organized trips. I can keep up with moderate sea kayaks and 
>tandem canoes and can handle up to class II water and 2 foot waves with 
>this boat.
>
>I would like to paddle less than 2 hours from here. So far I've only 
>paddled on the Nashua river.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Marilyn Kircus
>
>
>Who dares to teach must never cease to learn.
>
>John Cotton Dana
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