Hello I have been working on my roll lately. At this point, I've got a rather solid variation of the C to C. The challenge that I've diagnosed recently is regarding orientation of the paddle. If I go under in paddle ready position, I can roll up consistently. If I go under in less or more than paddle ready position, I find that I can't orient the paddle consistently. If I orient it correctly, I roll up without any trouble. If I don't I end up bailing out after a couple of failed attempts. Does anyone have any good tricks for overcoming this? Derek --------------------------------------------------------------- Please limit all email attachments sent to this address to a maximum of 0.5MB. All email attachments that are larger then 0.5MB will automatically be deleted. --------------------------------------------------------------- ICQ: 262152266, AIM: GlamourpetsD, MSN: [my email address], Yahoo Messenger: glamourpets --------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hello I have been working on my roll lately. At this point, I've got a rather solid variation of the C to C. The challenge that I've diagnosed recently is regarding orientation of the paddle. If I go under in paddle ready position, I can roll up consistently. If I go under in less or more than paddle ready position, I find that I can't orient the paddle consistently. If I orient it correctly, I roll up without any trouble. If I don't I end up bailing out after a couple of failed attempts. Does anyone have any good tricks for overcoming this? Derek >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a good article by Eric Jackson. It may help you on this subject. Cheers, Rob G _http://www.ringwood.canoe.btinternet.co.uk/rolling.htm_ (http://www.ringwood.canoe.btinternet.co.uk/rolling.htm) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Derek, When you capsize in the non-ready position, be sure you are setting up for the roll just like when you are ready. Also, to make sure the blade is oriented correctly, reach forward with the outboard hand to to feel the blade position. Then bring the hand back on the shaft and do your roll. Duane Southern California www.rollordrown.com Derek <glamourpets_at_yahoo.com> wrote: <snip> If I go under in less or more than paddle ready position, I find that I can't orient the paddle consistently. If I orient it correctly, I roll up without any trouble. If I don't I end up bailing out after a couple of failed attempts. <snip> *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Derek said: The challenge that I've diagnosed recently is regarding orientation of the paddle. If I go under in paddle ready position, I can roll up consistently. If I go under in less or more than paddle ready position,I find that I can't orient the paddle consistently. I used two different solutions to this problem when I was teaching whitewater paddling. The best solution is to use a Pawlata roll. Google "Pawlata" and you'll find some really good explanations. This roll takes a little longer to set up in a combat situation, but it is so reliable that even some whitewater paddlers (although not many) stick with it. Better to take two seconds to set up for a reliable roll than rush into bad technique that requires multiple attempts. And in sea kayaking your head is not often bumping off rocks, so there is more time. With the Pawlata, and the somewhat similar "put across" roll, the blade angle is assured if you have a feathered paddle. I prefer this to super indexing the control hand's paddle shaft. I think that a lot of people don't like the Pawlata because it isn't the one that the Big Boys use. I never use it myself because my screw roll is reliable. But having the Pawlata in your bag of tricks is a good back-up. It just isn't sexy. The second solution is trickier. It involves pushing the paddle blade that is toward the bow up against the hull after you have capsized. You can (usually) feel whether or not the blade is flat to the hull or edge on to the hull. You then have the information you need to adjust, or not, the angle. Jim Tibensky *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Jim Tibensky wrote: >>>>>>>I think that a lot of people don't like the Pawlata because it isn't the one that the Big Boys use. I never use it myself because my screw roll is reliable. But having the Pawlata in your bag of tricks is a good back-up. It just isn't sexy. The second solution is trickier. It involves pushing the paddle blade that is toward the bow up against the hull after you have capsized. You can (usually) feel whether or not the blade is flat to the hull or edge on to the hull. You then have the information you need to adjust, or not, the angle.<<<<<<<< If I really have to roll on this try I slide my hand back to feel the shoulder of the paddle blade (rather than let go of the shaft to grab the end of the paddle as with the Pawlatta). I call this an extended paddle roll or an abbreviated Pawlatta. This works especially well in turbulent water as it gives you almost as much control over the blade you are grabbing as the Pawlatta. Turbulent water doesn't have much of a lever arm with which to jerk the paddle around that way. If I'm not sure of my grip or blade angle, I index the blade flat to the waters surface by pushing the blade into the air slightly and slapping it down on the water with a loose enough hand grip that it will turn itself flat as I do the slap if it wasn't flat to the water already. Matt Broze www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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