In a message dated 11/14/2007 8:38:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, kdruger_at_pacifier.com writes: Rob, with all due respect to a paddler with more talent in his little toe than I have in my entire body: it ain't dogma, it is a different approach to paddling than what you believe in. In brief, different strokes ... different folks. We call all the variants of what owners of "sea kayaks" do, "sea kayaking," but what people actually do with these boats is very diverse. Sure enough, for open ocean paddling, or "open coast paddling," having a solid, dependable roll is a critical skill. Ask around and find out what proportion of "sea kayak" paddlers paddle open ocean conditions. Those who do not, may not "need" a dependable roll to stay within a reasonable envelope of safety, an envelope as broad and encompassing as the envelope surrounding a paddler skilled in rolling who invites using it by regularly exploring extremely demanding conditions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave, I completely disagree. (And that is with all due respect, of course.) There are many reasons paddlers choose to not learn, but it is a choice, and diversity aside, if they paddle a hundred yards or more offshore, they ought to rethink things. A hundred yards in paddling clothes is a long way to swim in cold water. Ask me how I know this. ; ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I am pretty sure we agree on one aspect of this: lots and lots of paddlers, with or without a dependable roll, regularly engage in paddling waters where their safety envelope is very small ... here's the part where we agree, I bet ... and they do _not_ have a good grasp of how much risk they are taking. That's the part of paddling safely where anybody, a roller or nonroller, needs to get on board. It is the single attribute most common among paddlers of my acquaintance who have been "in trouble" at some point. Reasons abound for a paddler not knowing how much risk he/she is taking, but I suspect the principal one is inability to conceptualize, in practical terms, and practice, how to retrieve themselves from a capsize and/or swim. If we work on that, folks whose paddling demands a reliable roll will be mandated to get one, or change where and how they paddle. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I completely agree with that. The issue isn't as simple as never swim in the first place or with good judgement and fewer backup skills to back you up, you'll be fine. I think the best answer to the discussion is having multiple layers of defense. Starting with judgement, but not lapsing on the safety equipment and skill set to use it properly. Just my 2 cents, but when ever that tired argument about not needing to learn to roll gets trotted out it usually turns out to be 99 % excuse and 1% opinion. (Ouch! My most inflammatory Paddlewise comment, like, ever.) Cheers, Rob G ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************Received on Thu Nov 15 2007 - 07:32:27 PST
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