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From: Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
subject: [Paddlewise] Kayakers Stay Alert
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:09:25 -0800
   One more thing for kayakers to worry about. Does it ever happen? Yes! You
need to wear that helmet.

http://my.break.com/content/view.aspx?ContentID=241646

Brad
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayakers Stay Alert
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:26:34 -0800
Oh heck... that's just a normal summer day on Lake Union in Seattle. Why do
you think they call 'em "speed bumps"?  <grin>

Great link!

Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA

On Dec 18, 2007 9:09 AM, Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu> wrote:

>   One more thing for kayakers to worry about. Does it ever happen? Yes!
> You
> need to wear that helmet.
>
> http://my.break.com/content/view.aspx?ContentID=241646
>
> Brad
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From: Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayakers Stay Alert
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:49:26 -0800
   If I remember my Oregon history correctly, there was a float plane pilot
practicing his landings and takeoffs on the Willamette River several years
ago, and he managed to set it down on a canoe.

BRC

Quoting Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>:

> Oh heck... that's just a normal summer day on Lake Union in Seattle. Why do
> you think they call 'em "speed bumps"?  <grin>
>
> Great link!
>
> Craig Jungers
> Moses Lake, WA
>
> On Dec 18, 2007 9:09 AM, Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu> wrote:
>
>>   One more thing for kayakers to worry about. Does it ever happen? Yes!
>> You
>> need to wear that helmet.
>>
>> http://my.break.com/content/view.aspx?ContentID=241646
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>



-- 
Bradford R. Crain
Department of Mathematics & Statistics
Portland State University
724 SW Harrison St./334 Neuberger Hall
Portland, Or. 97201

Phone:  503-725-3127
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E-mail: crainb_at_pdx.edu
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayakers Stay Alert
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:58:01 -0800
On Dec 18, 2007 12:49 PM, Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu> wrote:

>   If I remember my Oregon history correctly, there was a float plane pilot
> practicing his landings and takeoffs on the Willamette River several years
> ago, and he managed to set it down on a canoe.


Maybe he just figured another float couldn't hurt. LOL

Craig Jungers
etc.etc.
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayakers Stay Alert
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:39:20 -0800
Craig Jungers wrote:
> On Dec 18, 2007 12:49 PM, Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu> wrote:
> 
>>   If I remember my Oregon history correctly, there was a float plane pilot
>> practicing his landings and takeoffs on the Willamette River several years
>> ago, and he managed to set it down on a canoe.
> 
> 
> Maybe he just figured another float couldn't hurt. LOL

I remember this well.

Not much of a laughing matter for the two adults killed (propeller made 
salami slices of them).  IIRC, there was a child in the canoe who survived. 
  Pilot got off with a slap on the wrist.  The aircraft was one of those 
with a large cowling which prevented the pilot from seeing straight ahead 
on final.  I believe he did a flyby, saw no one on the water, and then did 
his approach and landing.  Meanwhile, with no idea the guy was coming in 
for a landing, the family entered the open water the pilot had selected.

This was not a section of the Willamette specially designated as an 
"airstrip," or in any way easy to suspect it would be.  It was all legal 
for the pilot to land there; IIRC, the operative language (Craig can 
correct me her, I bet) was the pilot had to exercise reasonable prudence in 
making his landing spot choice.

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayakers Stay Alert
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:36:51 -0800
On Dec 18, 2007 2:39 PM, Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com> wrote:

>
>  The aircraft was one of those
> with a large cowling which prevented the pilot from seeing straight ahead
> on final.  I believe he did a flyby, saw no one on the water, and then did
> his approach and landing.  Meanwhile, with no idea the guy was coming in
> for a landing, the family entered the open water the pilot had selected.


I have never flown anything that lands on the water on purpose but I can't
imagine how you could not see a canoe over the cowling unless the pilot was
"dragging" it in (lots of power but then high angle of attack to keep the
speed down). Normally you have a nose down attitude until you flare for the
landing and by then one would assume the pilot would lhave seen the canoe.

This was not a section of the Willamette specially designated as an
> "airstrip," or in any way easy to suspect it would be.  It was all legal
> for the pilot to land there


Unless there is a restricted area or unless a municipal, state or federal
agency has imposed a speed limit, one can land a floatplane or amphibious
aircraft pretty much anywhere there is water. They land and take off in
front of my lake house all the time. To my great delight. Wish more would.


> IIRC, the operative language (Craig can
> correct me her, I bet) was the pilot had to exercise reasonable prudence
> in
> making his landing spot choice.


I wonder which part of "reasonable prudence" doesn't include watching where
you're going.

Gliders at the Ephrata airport land and take off on what would normally be
thought of as the "apron" of an old B17 training base. The clubhouse is well
off to the side and in order to get to the takeoff portion you have to walk
across the landing portion. We had a club from the Puget Sound area come
here and a dozen of their family members managed to wander across exactly
where I was going to land in my glider. I managed to extend my final and
missed them but not by much I bet. The coordinator for the airport chewed
out the club President who got bad and wrote a nasty note about how rude he
was.

I suppose it's important to watch what's going on no matter where you are
but sometimes it's not immediately apparent that there's danger.

Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
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From: John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayakers Stay Alert
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:21:14 -0500
At 03:49 PM 12/18/2007, Bradford R. Crain wrote:
>   If I remember my Oregon history correctly, there was a float plane pilot
>practicing his landings and takeoffs on the Willamette River several years
>ago, and he managed to set it down on a canoe.

In Chuck Yeager's book "Pressing On" (a really good read, BTW) he 
tell a story of a pilot that does fish plantings in high country 
lakes and the piloting skills required to plant fish in the small 
lakes in canyons in the high Sierra mountains.  In one instance he 
pilot came over a ridge, executed a dive into the canyon, dropped the 
fish, then made a quick climb and banked out of the canyon.  As he 
looked down he saw a couple of startled fishermen in a canoe right 
where he had dropped the fish.  Apparently aerial fish plantings have 
a very high survival rate (somewhere around 90%) but perhaps not in 
that instance.

>Quoting Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>:
>
>>Oh heck... that's just a normal summer day on Lake Union in Seattle. Why do
>>you think they call 'em "speed bumps"?  <grin>
>>
>>Great link!
>>
>>Craig Jungers
>>Moses Lake, WA
>>
>>On Dec 18, 2007 9:09 AM, Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>   One more thing for kayakers to worry about. Does it ever happen? Yes!
>>>You
>>>need to wear that helmet.
>>>
>>>http://my.break.com/content/view.aspx?ContentID=241646
>>>
>>>Brad
>>>

John Fereira
jaf30_at_cornell.edu
Ithaca, NY 
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayakers Stay Alert
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:46:08 -0800
On Dec 18, 2007 9:09 AM, Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu> wrote:
> 
>> One more thing for kayakers to worry about. Does it ever happen? Yes! 
>> You need to wear that helmet.
>> 
>> http://my.break.com/content/view.aspx?ContentID=241646

That is pretty obviously a posed video.  Reminds me of some footage from 
the movie version of Farley Mowat's "Never Cry Wolf," when the DH twin 
takes off right over the guy (Mowat).

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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From: Bob Myers <qajaqbob_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayakers Stay Alert
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:07:43 -0800
It's the opening scene from "Always", a 1989 movie with Richard
Dreyfuss, Audrey Hepburn, Holly Hunter, John Goodman about air
firefighters.

On Dec 18, 2007 2:46 PM, Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com> wrote:
> On Dec 18, 2007 9:09 AM, Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> One more thing for kayakers to worry about. Does it ever happen? Yes!
> >> You need to wear that helmet.
> >>
> >> http://my.break.com/content/view.aspx?ContentID=241646
>
> That is pretty obviously a posed video.  Reminds me of some footage from
> the movie version of Farley Mowat's "Never Cry Wolf," when the DH twin
> takes off right over the guy (Mowat).
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From: Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Kayakers Stay Alert
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:23:39 -0800
A great movie remake of a WWII film, A Guy Named Joe

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On Behalf Of Bob Myers


It's the opening scene from "Always", a 1989 movie with Richard
Dreyfuss, Audrey Hepburn, Holly Hunter, John Goodman about air
firefighters.


> >>
> >> http://my.break.com/content/view.aspx?ContentID=241646
>
> That is pretty obviously a posed video.  Reminds me of some footage from
> the movie version of Farley Mowat's "Never Cry Wolf," when the DH twin
> takes off right over the guy (Mowat).
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From: Gary J. MacDonald <garyj_at_rogers.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayakers Stay Alert
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:04:33 -0500
First time I opened this link, the list of videos on the right was 
topped by one about Odie the Horny Dog (or a title close to that) which 
was about as outrageously funny a pet video you can imagine.
GaryJ

Bradford R. Crain wrote:
>   One more thing for kayakers to worry about. Does it ever happen? 
> Yes! You
> need to wear that helmet.
>
> http://my.break.com/content/view.aspx?ContentID=241646
>
> Brad
> **
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From: Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayakers Stay Alert
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:58:55 -0800
   Horny Odie the Wonder Dog. But you didn't hear it from me.

   Brad

Quoting "Gary J. MacDonald" <garyj_at_rogers.com>:

> First time I opened this link, the list of videos on the right was
> topped by one about Odie the Horny Dog (or a title close to that) which
> was about as outrageously funny a pet video you can imagine.
> GaryJ
>
> Bradford R. Crain wrote:
>>  One more thing for kayakers to worry about. Does it ever happen? Yes! You
>> need to wear that helmet.
>>
>> http://my.break.com/content/view.aspx?ContentID=241646
>>
>> Brad
>> **
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