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From: James Farrelly <JFarrelly5_at_comcast.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] YouTube - Crazy whitewater kayaker beatdown
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:39:53 -0500
Why I feel I am too old to do WW anymore. Please turn ON your  
speakers. Cool soundtrack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE5N52V3IRk&feature=related



Jim et al
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From: Duane Strosaker <strosaker_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] YouTube - Crazy whitewater kayaker beatdown
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:30:19 -0800 (PST)
Jim,
   
  The comments below the video are interesting too.
   
  I don't understand the throwing the paddle thing.
   
  Duane
  

James Farrelly <JFarrelly5_at_comcast.net> wrote:
  Why I feel I am too old to do WW anymore. Please turn ON your 
speakers. Cool soundtrack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE5N52V3IRk&feature=related



Jim et al
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] YouTube - Crazy whitewater kayaker beatdown
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:28:56 -0800
When a couple of your paddling buddies are wearing full-face crash helmets
for the afternoon's adventure, you just might be getting into something you
shouldn't. Or to put it another way: Evolution in Action.

An amazing video... all the more so because it took a long time for the
first throw-rope... and the guy making the video never did drop his camera
to help the guy getting windowshaded.

Craig Jungers
Moses Lake

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:39 PM, James Farrelly <JFarrelly5_at_comcast.net>
wrote:

> Why I feel I am too old to do WW anymore. Please turn ON your
> speakers. Cool soundtrack.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE5N52V3IRk&feature=related
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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] YouTube - Crazy whitewater kayaker beatdown
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:16:17 -0800
Cool there Mr. Jimmy James Farrelly...some nice tight action in the river 
gorge with a little bit of "man-love" in the back eddy afterwards, consoling 
the bedraggled buffoon; but I still prefer my high jinks on the high seas - 
or at least those places where the sea meets the land - so much more 
dynamic. Check out Teresa getting hammered at 3 Arch Rocks on the very fine 
Coyote web site:

http://www.coyoteco.net/video_gallery.htm

Doug L

> Why I feel I am too old to do WW anymore. Please turn ON your
> speakers. Cool soundtrack.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE5N52V3IRk&feature=related
>
>
>
> Jim et al
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From: Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] YouTube - Crazy whitewater kayaker beatdown
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:18:21 -0800
Some nice video on that site. I want to get me one of those bullet cams. A
bit pricey though. Then all I need is a cave like that to sneak into to film
my death. I guess I won't have to worry about the installment plan.

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Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] YouTube - Crazy whitewater kayaker beatdown


Cool there Mr. Jimmy James Farrelly...some nice tight action in the river
gorge with a little bit of "man-love" in the back eddy afterwards, consoling
the bedraggled buffoon; but I still prefer my high jinks on the high seas -
or at least those places where the sea meets the land - so much more
dynamic. Check out Teresa getting hammered at 3 Arch Rocks on the very fine
Coyote web site:

http://www.coyoteco.net/video_gallery.htm

Doug L

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE5N52V3IRk&feature=related
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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] YouTube - Crazy whitewater kayaker beatdown
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:53:34 -0800
I've been doing caves and arches and surge channels like that solo for over 
25 years, in a fully loaded sea kayak often. Not dead yet. My kayak, 
however, is another story. My last stern-going endo ripped apart my VCP 
rudder and split the rear keel line of the hull. Should have made the kayak 
even heavier...or not added the rudder which weakened the stern...then 
again, I smashed the stern up badly north of Tofino along the seal-cave 
coast when I 180'ed in a surge channel 25 years ago leading me to finish off 
the amputation and install the dammed rudder when I got back home. Next life 
I'm just gonna buy 10 Nordkapp plastic kayaks
and pull one out for new use every third season.

DL

> Some nice video on that site. I want to get me one of those bullet cams. A
> bit pricey though. Then all I need is a cave like that to sneak into to 
> film
> my death. I guess I won't have to worry about the installment plan.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] YouTube - Crazy whitewater kayaker beatdown
>
>
> Cool there Mr. Jimmy James Farrelly...some nice tight action in the river
> gorge with a little bit of "man-love" in the back eddy afterwards, 
> consoling
> the bedraggled buffoon; but I still prefer my high jinks on the high 
> seas -
> or at least those places where the sea meets the land - so much more
> dynamic. Check out Teresa getting hammered at 3 Arch Rocks on the very 
> fine
> Coyote web site:
>
> http://www.coyoteco.net/video_gallery.htm
>
> Doug L
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE5N52V3IRk&feature=related
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] YouTube - Crazy whitewater kayaker beatdown
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:36:00 -0800
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote:

> . Next life I'm just gonna buy 10 Nordkapp plastic kayaks and pull one out
> for new use every third season.


Now, there's a line to warm the hearts of kayak manufacturers everywhere.
God knows that plastic kayaks can withstand more Doug Lloydian adventures
than fiberglass or even kevlar.  Maybe plywood impregnated with epoxy and
covered with fiberglass will fare better. I'm pretty sure we'll know the
answer to that soon.

I'm sure plastic is getting better. It's clearly superior to almost anything
else for white water and creekboating. Oddly enough, I don't mind the
esthetics of plastic for my w/w boats but for sea kayaks it just doesn't
look... well... right. The Coaster I just bought is riddled with dings and
will require several hours of grinding (I just bought a new disk for my
grinder) and fiberglassing and gelcoat repair to get it ready for open
water. If it had been plastic there probably would be other issues but
gelcoat repair sure wouldn't be one of them.

Maybe we should encase our rock garden boats in plastic. <grin>

Does anyone even make a Nordkapp in plastic?


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] YouTube - Crazy whitewater kayaker beatdown
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:07:50 -0800
The polyethylene Nordkapp is undoubtedly the best and finest example of a 
roto-molded seakayak anywhere, both in terms of aesthetics, fit, quality, 
stiffness, and close-to-original performance characteristics of the FG 
version it replaces.

Poly kayaks do take a beating, but the cumulative fuzz will grow a little 
more than irksome after time, where hull efficiency through the water is 
more important than someone in a WW kayak going with the flow.

Brittle kayaks like the NDK Romany's, Explorers and Greenlanders are easily 
field repairable. Exotic lay-ups aren't. I don't like NDK boats because of 
the build inconsistencies, weight variances, and things like poor fitting 
cockpit comings. How can they let them leave the factory like that?

The typical plywood epoxy/glass/lay-up like the Forager I just bought will 
be a preliminary test for me before I commit to building my own version. 
It's the seasonal maintenance aspect I'm interested in, and of course, the 
ultimate resistance to reef penetration. I have been working out the 
logistics of making my own 16-foot lengths of plywood "cedar strips", 
laminating double long strips of mahogany with a cedar veneer between at 90 
degrees. I'd glue and press 4 inches wide by 16 feet pieces, then rip to 
5/8" to get my "cedar strips". I'm also looking to pick up used vacuume bag 
equipment and may attempt a cold mold with Kevlar between veneers for a 
"bright" mahogany veneer build. I may enjoy this so much I may build a small 
sailboat and float away into the sunset one day too.

Doug Lloyd (who has a surfeit of boat-building ideas)

> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> . Next life I'm just gonna buy 10 Nordkapp plastic kayaks and pull one 
>> out
>> for new use every third season.
>
>
> Now, there's a line to warm the hearts of kayak manufacturers everywhere.
> God knows that plastic kayaks can withstand more Doug Lloydian adventures
> than fiberglass or even kevlar.  Maybe plywood impregnated with epoxy and
> covered with fiberglass will fare better. I'm pretty sure we'll know the
> answer to that soon.
>
> I'm sure plastic is getting better. It's clearly superior to almost 
> anything
> else for white water and creekboating. Oddly enough, I don't mind the
> esthetics of plastic for my w/w boats but for sea kayaks it just doesn't
> look... well... right. The Coaster I just bought is riddled with dings and
> will require several hours of grinding (I just bought a new disk for my
> grinder) and fiberglassing and gelcoat repair to get it ready for open
> water. If it had been plastic there probably would be other issues but
> gelcoat repair sure wouldn't be one of them.
>
> Maybe we should encase our rock garden boats in plastic. <grin>
>
> Does anyone even make a Nordkapp in plastic?
>
>
> Craig Jungers
> Moses Lake, WA
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] YouTube - Crazy whitewater kayaker beatdown
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:54:30 -0800
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote:

>
> Doug Lloyd (who has a surfeit of boat-building ideas)


<My snippers are getting worn out>

Just be thankful it's not a plethora. Or a penultimate.


Craig Jungers
Adding to the vernacular in...
Moses Lake, WA

Hey... this is fun!
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From: <rcgibbert_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] YouTube - Crazy whitewater kayaker beatdown
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:09:14 -0500
What's not to love about class 5? Jim, I don't know how old you are but I do paddle with a few *geezers* in their low to late 50's. They are an assett on all the trips I've been on with them. One of these guys playboat's so well, I'm embarrassed, to hit the feature after him. Lastly, if you liked that soundtrack you are definately not a geezer. I thought it was pretty cool, too.



Cheers,



Rob G








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From: James Farrelly <JFarrelly5_at_comcast.net>
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Sent: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: [Paddlewise] YouTube - Crazy whitewater kayaker beatdown



Why I feel I am too old to do WW anymore. Please turn ON your  
speakers. Cool soundtrack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE5N52V3IRk&feature=related



Jim et al
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From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_rockandwater.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] YouTube - Crazy whitewater kayaker beatdown
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 21:03:46 -0500
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:09:14PM -0500, rcgibbert_at_aol.com wrote:
> What's not to love about class 5? Jim, I don't know how old you are but I do paddle with a few *geezers* in their low to late 50's.

As a geezer, I'd like to use this article as an explanation for why
I paddle whitewater:

	It's behind you!: The amazing moment a couple had a close encounter with a humpback whale
	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=524069&in_page_id=1766&ito=1490

My idea of the kind of "whale" I want to encounter is Whale Rock
in Upper Keeney in the New River Gorge.  As far as I know, it's
very very stationary.  (And the eddy behind it is a good place to
take a good look at Middle Keeney.)

---Rsk
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] YouTube - Crazy whitewater kayaker beatdown
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 21:02:33 -0800
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_rockandwater.net> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:09:14PM -0500, rcgibbert_at_aol.com wrote:
> > What's not to love about class 5? Jim, I don't know how old you are but
> I do paddle with a few *geezers* in their low to late 50's.
>
> As a geezer, I'd like to use this article as an explanation for why
> I paddle whitewater:


I can geezer with the best of them but gave up whitewater mostly because I
got tired of trying to find someone to drive the second car. My wife would
do it but then I'd have to pony up $3.50 a gallon for BOTH cars!!! And she
wouldn't want to paddle because she says she got tired of the terror.

While I'm not giving up my RPM for now, I know it's not likely I'll spend
anywhere near as much time on rivers as I was spending 3 years ago. I am
putting two other w/w boats up for sale though.

So I started sea kayaking again because my wife would go and we only needed
one car. But now my wife doesn't even seem to want to sea kayak so I got the
muthah-ship. This getting old is the pits.


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
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