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From: Derek <glamourpets_at_yahoo.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] I bought my PANTS at VALUE VILLAGE
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:22:18 -0800 (PST)
I have been pondering the issue of "appropriate dress"
under a dry suit.  It seems to me that it should be
possible to dress appropriately without spending a
$fortune$ on designer label stuff.

Because I am currently using a coin laundry, multiples
are desirable.  Since everything is hidden under a dry
suit, I'm not worried about making a fashion
statement.

Sadly, most street clothing contains a high percentage
of cotton.  Cotton has a nasty habit of soaking up and
holding moisture.  This is not desirable under a dry
suit.

Here is what I've found so far:
3 Hockey Jerseys - $5 each (100% polyester)
3 Fleecy tops - $10 each 

So far, so good.  What do I do about pants?  I want to
stay within a similar price range.  I want to avoid
cotton.  Thoughts??  

What about socks?


Derek



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From: Steve Cramer <cramersec_at_charter.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] I bought my PANTS at VALUE VILLAGE
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:27:23 -0500
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From: Brian Curtiss <bc_at_asdi.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] I bought my PANTS at VALUE VILLAGE
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:00:22 -0700
On Feb 28, 2008, at 11:22 AM, Derek wrote:
> So far, so good.  What do I do about pants?  I want to
> stay within a similar price range.

http://www.campmor.com --- search for fleece, then click on "hot deals"
for example:

Campmor Polartec 200 Fleece Pants $23

> What about socks?

same place: Wyoming Wear Teewinot Solid Fleece Sock $8

I use both of these all the time under my dry suit.

Brian
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] I bought my PANTS at VALUE VILLAGE
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:13:03 -0800
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Derek <glamourpets_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> So far, so good.  What do I do about pants?  I want to
> stay within a similar price range.  I want to avoid
> cotton.  Thoughts??
>

Goodwill. It's not just for Oscar night any more.


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
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From: James Farrelly <JFarrelly5_at_comcast.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] I bought my PANTS at VALUE VILLAGE
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:01:39 -0500
I like the Campmor stuff too. Wear it often but not to church or  
funerals or funerals at churches. Ebay has cheap Patagucci  stuff all  
the time.


>> So far, so good.  What do I do about pants?  I want to
>> stay within a similar price range.  I want to avoid
>> cotton.  Thoughts??
>>
>
>

Jim et al
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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] I bought my PANTS at VALUE VILLAGE
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:40:09 -0800
Fisherperson's under-wader gear - good fleece product lines avaliable, 
always a sale to be found.

DL



>>
> So far, so good.  What do I do about pants?  I want to
> stay within a similar price range.  I want to avoid
> cotton.  Thoughts??
>
> What about socks?
>
>
> Derek
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From: alex <al.m_at_3web.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] I bought my PANTS at VALUE VILLAGE
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:23:38 -0800
> I have been pondering the issue of "appropriate dress"
> under a dry suit.  > Here is what I've found so far:
> 3 Hockey Jerseys - $5 each (100% polyester)
> 3 Fleecy tops - $10 each
>
> So far, so good.  What do I do about pants?  I want to
> stay within a similar price range.  I want to avoid
> cotton.  Thoughts??
>
> What about socks?

No socks or pants at Value village - not for kayakers, anyway.  Try
second-hand sport-oriented places.  Here in Vancouver it's called Sport
Junkies - though they've been shifting lately from used good stuff (on
consignment) to new no-name chinese eer... items; price tag without the
depreciation schedule is the warning sign to look.  Whenever I see such a
tag, I drop it and go to neighboring www.mec.ca  in the same block (poor
canadian's analog of Campmor or REI).

Fleece tops at Value Village are usually not kayaker-oriented too - with
zippers, pockets, some buttons, etc.  But I've bought some fleece tops for
$2 and $3 there for home and shore wear.  Wetsuits in Value Village are good
too - few bucks for a suit.  Mostly for divers, never in the right size, but
good for scrap pieces when you need a patch etc.
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] I bought my PANTS at VALUE VILLAGE
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:53:03 -0800
Consignment stores (like Second Hand Sports) and stores like Goodwill,
Salvation Army and Value Village don't often have what we need in poly
clothing but if you have some time to do careful shopping you can turn this
to your advantage. Employees and managers at these stores often don't
realize what they've got.

As an example, I used to buy cross-country skis because Sue and I invite
non-skiers along to introduce them to the sport. After all, with a
season-long parking/groomed trails permit it doesn't really add to the cost
if we fill the SUV up. Most relatively modern x/c skis have extrusions or
corrugations on a portion of their bottoms to help keep the skier from
sliding backwards when they take a step. You can feel these when you run
your hand over them. Older skis are made for waxing and don't have these
corrugations and are smooth to the touch; these are in much less demand and
are priced accordingly. However skate skis (designed to be used on groomed
tracks in a skating style) is a fast-growing segment of the sport and the
bottoms of these skis are smooth and are in great demand (and very
expensive). I found a pair of carbon-fiber skate skis for $9.95 at the local
Goodwill complete with bindings (bindings alone go for over $100). Better
yet, I've used them regularly for the past 3 seasons!!!

Also, in the northern areas where there is skiing the clothing worn by
skiers is often the same clothing that is worn by kayakers. If your
second-hand or consignment store has a ski section then by all means check
it out.

Finally (I know you thought I'd never get here), there are also consignment
stores for boaters. Seattle has "Second Wave" in two locations (one right
next to West Marine in Shilshole... I bet *that* ticks 'em off) plus an
excellent web site (www.secondwave.com). There is a consignment store in
Portland and one in So. Cal. called "Minnies" that has been around for at
least 30 years (Long Beach, I think). I've saved, literally, thousands of
dollars shopping at these places. These stores often have dry suits and wet
suits and sometimes kayaks, too.

And then, of course, there's www.craigslist.com; look for one that covers
your area. If you've never used craigslist then you should start now.

Oops... that's one more after "Finally"; so sue me. :)

Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
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From: alex <al.m_at_3web.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] I bought my PANTS at VALUE VILLAGE
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:11:54 -0800
> I found a pair of carbon-fiber skate skis for $9.95 at the local
> Goodwill complete with bindings (bindings alone go for over $100). Better
> yet, I've used them regularly for the past 3 seasons!!!

It is interesting how everything is different south of the border.  I have
never seen scate skis in Vancouver second-hand sport stores for less than
$60, - unless in a very battered shape.  Those in a good shape go for
$70-80, without bindings, and if it has a deprectiation schedule, it always
sells when the price drops to $60 or so.  Anything with modern bindings like
NNN, SNS etc (even regular X-country skis), sells for at least $30,
considering the bindings value.

One problem with used scate skis (and same problem with low-end new scate
skis) is unknown elasticity and camber.  Good new scate skis have a proper
camber, and after some years it flattens up irreversibly (but you can't
detect this visually).  Low-end scate skis might have inadequate elasticity
or inadequate camber from the day one.

With using skiing clothes for kayaking I didn't have much luck either.
X-country (no matter what skis) requires less body twisting and less freedom
of movement around armits, therefore skiing tops feel restricting when
paddling, unless they are in much larger size (and then it is bunching up
under the paddle jacket).  Also, skiing tops are not made to cover low back,
while for kayaking you need it to be longer.  Skiing pants are even more a
problem - for kayaking they need to be energy-conserving, while for
X-country  this is the area of heat dissipation - something quite different.
OTH, I've been able to use low-end loose nylon gym pants for skiing -
X-country crowd tends to be less snobby than downhill skiers, for some
reason. On the forest X-country trail anything goes - bicycle jackets I can
see all the time.
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