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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Thoughts on the Pacific Action Sail Rig?
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:29:01 -0700
James Farrelly mentioned on Paddlewise (just before his vacation) that he
planned to buy a Pacific Action sail rig for his kayak. I seem to recall
that he used it in a race recently and wonder what thought he has on it now.


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
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From: James Farrelly <JFarrelly5_at_comcast.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Thoughts on the Pacific Action Sail Rig?
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:03:03 -0400
The Good
I am very hard to impress and at a price of about $350 US taxed and  
shipped for the 1 meter sail I turn into impossible to impress. The  
sail impressed me. A lot, frankly. All components are of the highest  
quality. Workmanship is flawless. The design is right on and is a  
snap to learn to use. Easy to set up and take down, I have trained a  
12 yr old and a 15 yr old to use it well with just a two minute  
class. Most of that two minutes was spent impressing the importance  
of speed in striking the sail and securing it to the bungie. My wife  
who is a surgeon and a full Colonel in the Army was a bit harder to  
train as she is used to being in charge but we got through the class  
well enough. Everyone I have taken out sailing in my Shearwater  
double baidarka has been a non paddler and absolutely had a blast. It  
is especially cool when the hull starts to make that gurgling sound  
as water passes under it. I went out on a test sail in very high  
winds and the kayak rocketed along comfortably. If I had the money I  
would buy the 2 meter sail for light wind days. Maybe next year. I  
was advised to modify the rig a bit and did. I replaced the original  
sail control line or sheet with two ten foot pieces of sheet  
material. I installed two deck clamcleats. All of this really helped  
and cost an additional $30. Sail control was simplified, became more  
precise and physically easier.

The Bad
The only strong criticism of the PA sail concerns the instructions  
for installation. As a person who has built four kayaks from kits and  
a Melonseed sailboat from a line drawing and not much else I found  
the PA sail instructions almost useless. I went on line and looked at  
photos of installed PA rigs to wing it as best I could. A critical  
step to pay attention to is mounting the twin sail posts that hold  
the sail erect. You must ensure that the twin posts, which look like  
your fingers making a peace sign, are spread out as far as possible  
so the sail sets flat. This will take two helpers or some jury  
rigging to hold the posts away from each other. The posts are then  
permanently set at this angle with a pair of screws bisecting the  
posts. Get it wrong and you either have to redrill the posts possibly  
weakening them or live with your error.

The Ugly
My Mother-in-law

I would spend the money again in a heartbeat.

Jim et al

On Jun 18, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Craig Jungers wrote:

> James Farrelly mentioned on Paddlewise (just before his vacation)  
> that he planned to buy a Pacific Action sail rig for his kayak. I  
> seem to recall that he used it in a race recently and wonder what  
> thought he has on it now.
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From: Grant Glazer <grantglazer_at_clear.net.nz>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Thoughts on the Pacific Action Sail Rig?
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:20:58 +1200
Make your own and save $300.  Rebecca Heap came up with the original 
design and used to give away plans and take workshops at symposiums.  
Pacific Action used these plans as the basis of their (??) design.

The link below is for Rebecca's plans.  Very cheap & easy to make, it 
performs just as well as the commercial version.

http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/grantglazer/Kayak/Hintssail.htm

Cheers
Grant

James Farrelly wrote:
> The Good
> I am very hard to impress and at a price of about $350 US taxed and  
> shipped for the 1 meter sail I turn into impossible to impress. The  
> sail impressed me. A lot, frankly. All components are of the highest  
> quality. Workmanship is flawless. The design is right on and is a  
> snap to learn to use. Easy to set up and take down, I have trained a  
> 12 yr old and a 15 yr old to use it well with just a two minute  
> class. Most of that two minutes was spent impressing the importance  
> of speed in striking the sail and securing it to the bungie. My wife  
> who is a surgeon and a full Colonel in the Army was a bit harder to  
> train as she is used to being in charge but we got through the class  
> well enough. Everyone I have taken out sailing in my Shearwater  
> double baidarka has been a non paddler and absolutely had a blast. It  
> is especially cool when the hull starts to make that gurgling sound  
> as water passes under it. I went out on a test sail in very high  
> winds and the kayak rocketed along comfortably. If I had the money I  
> would buy the 2 meter sail for light wind days. Maybe next year. I  
> was advised to modify the rig a bit and did. I replaced the original  
> sail control line or sheet with two ten foot pieces of sheet  
> material. I installed two deck clamcleats. All of this really helped  
> and cost an additional $30. Sail control was simplified, became more  
> precise and physically easier.
>
> The Bad
> The only strong criticism of the PA sail concerns the instructions  
> for installation. As a person who has built four kayaks from kits and  
> a Melonseed sailboat from a line drawing and not much else I found  
> the PA sail instructions almost useless. I went on line and looked at  
> photos of installed PA rigs to wing it as best I could. A critical  
> step to pay attention to is mounting the twin sail posts that hold  
> the sail erect. You must ensure that the twin posts, which look like  
> your fingers making a peace sign, are spread out as far as possible  
> so the sail sets flat. This will take two helpers or some jury  
> rigging to hold the posts away from each other. The posts are then  
> permanently set at this angle with a pair of screws bisecting the  
> posts. Get it wrong and you either have to redrill the posts possibly  
> weakening them or live with your error.
>
> The Ugly
> My Mother-in-law
>
> I would spend the money again in a heartbeat.
>
> Jim et al
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From: alex <al.m_at_3web.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Thoughts on the Pacific Action Sail Rig?
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:37:36 -0700
I remember this page. Saw it first time may be 4 years ago, before buying PA
rig.  After some thinking, decided to spend $300. Yes, it is possible to
make, if you have time and desire to solve some little yeat inevitable
problems. PA provides straps with buckles to attach the mast base to the
hull - these straps require sewing machine or a bit of work with upholstery
thread and needle. PA provides "hull mounts" - small brackets to attach to
the hull, may be you can make similar brackets or buy it somewhere or use
something different.  Some things you just have to know - like those small
inline cleats (called "dog cleats", and there ar other names too) - I have
never used such things before, and wouldn't even know what to look for in
marine stores :-)... Otherwise,  after you've got all the parts, everything
can be done at home  in a few days.

Rebecca suggests one idea that commercial PA has completely overlooked -
foam padding around the mast base, to prevent the deck scratching.

I used commercial PA (1 sq.m. size = 11.3 sq.ft), it has its pros cnad cons.
Wind has to be at your tail within 70-80 degree angle to your course - with
a beam wind you'll drift to the lee too much.  It tends to unfurl somewhat
(when stowed on deck) and then it is catching the wind and flapping
annoyingly.  It is a bit far forward in the bow, and has more capsize
potential than similar size Spirit Sail.  It requires more attention than
Spirit sail, because it is rigid, doesn't spill the wind, which increases
both perfrormance and capsize potential. But it does perform better than
Spirit. Largely, due to bigger size (small Spirit is 8.5 sq.ft). Other
factors contribute less, in my opinion - though PA's ability to be instantly
raised and lowered is amazing.

> Make your own and save $300.  Rebecca Heap came up with the original
> design and used to give away plans and take workshops at symposiums.
> Pacific Action used these plans as the basis of their (??) design.
>
> The link below is for Rebecca's plans.  Very cheap & easy to make, it
> performs just as well as the commercial version.
>
> http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/grantglazer/Kayak/Hintssail.htm
>
> Cheers
> Grant
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