Craig wrote: >Now I'm going to have to search out the natural habitats of boarder > boats and sneak rides on their wakes. A great way to pass an hour of > kayaking and with no long trip to the ocean involved. > > I suppose I should feel guilty about having so much fun on his gas...... > nawwwwwww. "Sneak" Now you are getting right the idea Craig. You have to catch them by surprise and from enough to the side of their course they don't try to be polite and reduce their wake. I learned to hang out at some choke point but well off to the side looking non-chalant until they were no longer concerned about me (if they ever were) and then I'd sprint in from the side and grab their wake. Sometime you can go for a mile right behind them and they never even know you are there. One tip you probably have learned already, try to favor the upwind side of their wake so as not to gas yourself on the gasoline or diesel fumes. Not only is wake riding great fun but it is also excellent practice for turning following seas into a free fast ride rather than a scary struggle. Never get so close that you risk bumping the other boat. Another tip, don't be too blatant about wake riding if the authorities are around as it is best if they don't tell you not to do this. That way you won't have to look around quite as carefully for them before you do it next time. I once surfed on a Harbor Patrol boat's wake (about 50 yards away from it on the divergent waves) and they turned around and came over and told me I couldn't surf boat wakes and additionally the officer told me I was not allowed to paddle a kayak through the nearby Montlake Cut (the choke point for big boats that made ambushing the big boats easy). I asked what law that was it that said I couldn't surf on boat wakes and the officer just got angry. I wasn't sure what they might be able to come up with to charge me with for wake riding so I didn't do that again right in front of them, but I immediately paddled through the Montlake Cut since I knew they had no right to stop me from using navigable waters and I was willing to see them try. Sometimes you need to exercise your rights to keep them. One night years later I was surfing a large cruiser's wake around Seattle's Lake Union (for a mile or more) when from off in the distance the blue lights started flashing and the patrol boat was headed right towards us at high speed on a plane. Could they be after me for wake riding? I slinked off the wake into the darkness putting the cruiser between me and the patrol boat so as not to be too obvious about having been wake riding when they got closer. The stopped the boat I was following and from the snatches of conversation I was overhearing they were accusing that boat of running over some small boat down at the south end of the lake. I paddled up and asked where this had occurred and told the officers they must have stopped the wrong boat because I had followed that boat closely the whole way around the lake and they had certainly not hit anything or I would have seen or heard it. That cruiser pilot was probably really grateful that I had been recycling his used gasoline. So don't feel guilty Craig. You are just recycling waste while it is temporarily in a state where you can wring some fun out of it. Of course, if you keep hollering HIT IT or otherwise goading them on maybe you should feel a twinge of conscience. Matt Broze www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
American Boat and Yacht Council guidance H-29 (recently revised) states the the maximum capacity of a touring kayak is defined as the load that results in 2.5" freeboard, where freeboard is defined as the distance between the waterline in calm water and the lowest point of water ingress (which is at the back of the coaming in most designs). This already seems to be impacting boat design here in the U.S.: the August issue of Sea Kayaker reviews the Suka (a new Greenland-style kayak) by Current designs; the designer states: "...the Suka's design is compliant with the American Boat and Yacht Council guidance H-29...."; the reviewers commented "...the height of the back deck prevents full laybacks."; and the designer responded: "While the reviewers noted full laybacks were inhibited by the height of the back deck and cockpit coaming, this is an unfortunate result of designs that are compliant with the American Boat and Yacht Council's guidance H-29." So now we have a Greenland-style kayak that doesn't allow a full layback. Are U.S. (and manufacturers in other countries) required to follow H-29? Are there any kayak designers on the American Boat and Yacht Council's H-29 committee or were any involved in reviewing H-29? I suppose we have it better that the canoe folks who now, in addition to freeboard requirements, also have minimum width requirements (based on a proportion of length). Brian *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
What is the ABYC doing "regulating" touring kayaks without input from kayakers? ABYC does many good things for power boating standatds. but this is ridiculous. The basis for safe hull design for canoes and kayaks is very different from that needed for power boats. This sucks. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR Brian Curtiss wrote: > American Boat and Yacht Council guidance H-29 (recently revised) states > the the maximum capacity of a touring kayak is defined as the load that > results in 2.5" freeboard, where freeboard is defined as the distance > between the waterline in calm water and the lowest point of water > ingress (which is at the back of the coaming in most designs). This > already seems to be impacting boat design here in the U.S.: the August > issue of Sea Kayaker reviews the Suka (a new Greenland-style kayak) by > Current designs; the designer states: "...the Suka's design is compliant > with the American Boat and Yacht Council guidance H-29...."; the > reviewers commented "...the height of the back deck prevents full > laybacks."; and the designer responded: "While the reviewers noted full > laybacks were inhibited by the height of the back deck and cockpit > coaming, this is an unfortunate result of designs that are compliant > with the American Boat and Yacht Council's guidance H-29." So now we > have a Greenland-style kayak that doesn't allow a full layback. > > Are U.S. (and manufacturers in other countries) required to follow > H-29? Are there any kayak designers on the American Boat and Yacht > Council's H-29 committee or were any involved in reviewing H-29? I > suppose we have it better that the canoe folks who now, in addition to > freeboard requirements, also have minimum width requirements (based on a > proportion of length). *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At the end of a five day trip through the Okefenokee swamp I surfed the wake of a tour operated pontoon boat for several hundred yards to the amusement of the rear facing family watching me. The operator finally noticed and killed the engine, seemingly out of fear. He asked me if I was OK. I grinned and nodded but thought it best to end the ride there. Good times! Jim et al *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Matt Broze <marinerkayaks_at_msn.com> wrote: > > > Of course, if you keep hollering HIT IT or otherwise goading them on maybe > you should feel a twinge of conscience. > > Um... so I probably shouldn't have pumped my arm in an upwards gesture (waterski signal for "more speed") that that powerboater who inconsiderately slowed down when he saw me loitering in mid-lake? I'd feel worse if he hadn't immediately grinned at me and gunned it to give me a nice ride. :) I might be getting a reputation as that "crazy kayaker" on the north side of the I-90 bridge. Cooool. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Matt Broze <marinerkayaks_at_msn.com> wrote: > > Never get so close that you risk bumping the other boat. I am discovering that wakeboard boat operators like watching me catch their wake and look forward to seeing me laying in wait for them. They'll come right next to me as soon as they see me turn and get set to catch the wake. A true story: One of my wakeboard boaters works at a client's business and we were chatting it up outside (I rode up on my Harley) next to his Porsche Carrera convertible. He tossed me the keys to the Porsche and said, "See you in a few hours... have fun!" I wasted no time in driving it over to my house to show my wife. For once, she was impressed! Ever try to impress your wife? > Another tip, don't > be too blatant about wake riding if the authorities are around as it is > best > if they don't tell you not to do this. That way you won't have to look > around quite as carefully for them before you do it next time. Not much worry about that. Sheriff patrols here are rare and usually only on the "big" weekends (4th of July, etc.). Last year Pam was here and about 6 of us were doing rescue practice and *that* caught their eye. They came over to us and it was clear that they understood what we were doing (that was a shock) and just asked us if we had all our gear (whistles, etc) and we said we did and they putted happily away. I suppose a State Patrol officer could drive by on the freeway and catch a glimpse of me doing it but I don't think they'd put it all together. Most folks are genuinely surprised that a kayaker can surf their boat wake. Boat wakes: Not just a source of annoyance any more. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Personally I like the "wake" from a strong wind and a long fetch. :-) As far as Matt Broze is concerned regarding this matter of night boat-wake riding and disconcerted authorities, it's probably simply a matter of Matt's long beard and his dark-at-night cotton brimmed hat. It probably doesn't help that as he doubles back for yet another fine ride, he's belting out the lyrics in the moonlight to ZZ Top's Doubleback: I got shot through a space not long ago, I thought I knew the place so well. It wasnt the same, now it goes to show, Sometime you never can tell. Im lookin high and low, dont know where to go, I got to double back, my friend. The only way to find, what I left behind I got to double back again, double back again. You know Im movin on in this fine machine, Rollin on through the night. Seein things like Ive never seen And its taking me outta sight. Lookin high and low, dont know where to go, I got to double back, my friend. The only way to find, what I left behind I got to double back again, double back again. Its got me up and down, I been lost and found, Down in a deep dark hole. Looks like my luck has changed, I been rearranged And Im coming out on a roll. Lookin high and low, dont know where to go, I got to double back, my friend. The only way to find, what I left behind I got to double back again, double back again. The fact he looks like a ZZ Top band member and is even signing their lyrics, but ensconced in a kayak (and rudderless too) chasing fast boats that ostensibly are sometimes used in the drug trade, well, you can understand how disconcerting it can look... I do hope he never gets truly rearranged by a propeller blade, though probably his beard would tangle in the prop and cause a cessation of further injury. The real thing: http://www.buffalochip.com/BANDS/ZZTOP/tabid/300/Default.aspx The imposter: http://canoekayak.com/canoe/matt_broze_kayaker_art.jpg I rest my case. :-) Doug Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug Lloyd wrote: > The real thing [ZZTop]: > > http://www.buffalochip.com/BANDS/ZZTOP/tabid/300/Default.aspx > > The imposter: > > http://canoekayak.com/canoe/matt_broze_kayaker_art.jpg > > I rest my case. :-) Sheesh! Where did you find that last image, Doug? -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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