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From: <rebyl_kayak_at_energysustained.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Paddling Pedometry
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 22:41:37 +0000
G'day,

There's an event on at the moment called the Global Corporate Challenge in which employees from companies around the world form teams and count their footsteps or their cycling distances.

I recently asked the orgainsers whether it was OK to include kayak paddling strokes and they were keen to see me try this. I strapped a pedometer to my upper arm inside a wetsuit, to count paddle cycles, A right paddle stroke followed by a left paddle stroke counted one on the pedometer but is counted as two in my records. So a paddle cycle, i.e. a left paddle stroke followed by a right stroke, counts as a left footstep followed by a right step. I tend to a fairly high stroke which may have helped the pedometer to operate properly.

Started recording yesterday with a coastal paddle in 15knot wind. We covered a third of the distance into the wind and two thirds with it quartering. One meter seas. One of the kayakers became progressively sick during the trip. 

The pedometer showed 3052 strokes, i.e 6104 paddle stroke equivalents to a footstep, for a distance of 8 nautical miles in three hours. If everyone had been fit we would have probably covered the distance in two hours. This all seemed reasonable and felt comparable with a good solid bushwalk in terms of energy expended. But I want to replicate the measurements to better represent kayaking comparisons with walking and cycling.

I refrained from rolling and the pedometer remained dry throughout. Next time I'll wrap it in plastic film as well so I can roll.

Has anyone else carried out similar measurements? If so I'd be keen to hear about the technique they used, the conditions they paddled and the results they measured.

All the best, PeterO
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From: The Housers <houser4_at_earthlink.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Paddling Pedometry
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 23:05:41 -0700
On one of Duane Strosaker's Catalina for Lunch trips (www.rollordrown.com),
I measured my cadence and multiplied by the number of minutes in route
(subtracting breaks) and discovered I did 33,000 strokes that day.  Not as
exact as your pedometer but close enough.

Dave Houser 


> [Original Message]
> From: <rebyl_kayak_at_energysustained.com>
> To: <paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net>
> Date: 6/1/2008 3:48:02 PM
> Subject: [Paddlewise] Paddling Pedometry
>
> G'day,
>
> There's an event on at the moment called the Global Corporate Challenge
in which employees from companies around the world form teams and count
their footsteps or their cycling distances.
>
> I recently asked the orgainsers whether it was OK to include kayak
paddling strokes and they were keen to see me try this. I strapped a
pedometer to my upper arm inside a wetsuit, to count paddle cycles, A right
paddle stroke followed by a left paddle stroke counted one on the pedometer
but is counted as two in my records. So a paddle cycle, i.e. a left paddle
stroke followed by a right stroke, counts as a left footstep followed by a
right step. I tend to a fairly high stroke which may have helped the
pedometer to operate properly.
>
> Started recording yesterday with a coastal paddle in 15knot wind. We
covered a third of the distance into the wind and two thirds with it
quartering. One meter seas. One of the kayakers became progressively sick
during the trip. 
>
> The pedometer showed 3052 strokes, i.e 6104 paddle stroke equivalents to
a footstep, for a distance of 8 nautical miles in three hours. If everyone
had been fit we would have probably covered the distance in two hours. This
all seemed reasonable and felt comparable with a good solid bushwalk in
terms of energy expended. But I want to replicate the measurements to
better represent kayaking comparisons with walking and cycling.
>
> I refrained from rolling and the pedometer remained dry throughout. Next
time I'll wrap it in plastic film as well so I can roll.
>
> Has anyone else carried out similar measurements? If so I'd be keen to
hear about the technique they used, the conditions they paddled and the
results they measured.
>
> All the best, PeterO
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Paddling Pedometry
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 07:43:24 -0700
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 11:05 PM, The Housers <houser4_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

> On one of Duane Strosaker's Catalina for Lunch trips (www.rollordrown.com
> ),
> I measured my cadence and multiplied by the number of minutes in route
> (subtracting breaks) and discovered I did 33,000 strokes that day.  Not as
> exact as your pedometer but close enough.



It's Sunday morning. I've been up for 30 minutes, I've had my frist cup of
coffee, I checked my e-mail. I was thinking seriuosly about a nice paddle...
and now, for some reason, I feel like I need a nap.

Nice statistic.

Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Paddling Pedometry
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 12:36:01 -0700
I just dropped 2 grand on a new Kona road bike (with flat bar) and gear, I'm 
going out riding (new bike/gear is part of my go-light gear replacement this 
year; up to two and a half grand now on my kayak gear replacement program, 
and still don't have a lightweight kayak yet). New bike computer will tally 
the miles. Then , back this afternoon to work on my Brooks article (found 
two paddlers who spent two days with Brian Grant just before he died off 
Brooks Peninsula July 2006, so a wonderful connection/first hand account 
there, but a partial story re-writer now necessary).

Well, there's always Paddlewise Mr. Craig Loafer when you wake up again. 
Just turn on your Paddlewise pedantic pedometer to tally-up your key 
strokes, though Paddlewise seems slow these days so I take it folk's fingers 
aren't getting the usual workout. :-)

Doug Lloyd



> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 11:05 PM, The Housers <houser4_at_earthlink.net> 
> wrote:
>
>> On one of Duane Strosaker's Catalina for Lunch trips (www.rollordrown.com
>> ),
>> I measured my cadence and multiplied by the number of minutes in route
>> (subtracting breaks) and discovered I did 33,000 strokes that day.  Not 
>> as
>> exact as your pedometer but close enough.
>
>
>
> It's Sunday morning. I've been up for 30 minutes, I've had my frist cup of
> coffee, I checked my e-mail. I was thinking seriuosly about a nice 
> paddle...
> and now, for some reason, I feel like I need a nap.
>
> Nice statistic.
>
> Craig Jungers
> Moses Lake, WA
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Paddling Pedometry
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:53:42 -0700
My pedant-o-meter has been off the charts all winter and I had to send it in
for a rebuild. I've noticed that Paddlewise has been... umm... shall we say,
quiet.... ok, moribund... over the past month or so. People are posting on
their local sites (CKF, WCP, etc.) more than on P'wise. My last posting on
WestCoastPaddlers of any real interest was about the "gray zone" but because
it included pictures (of moi in my Express... my god, but I'm handsome from
the back) it was impossible to post it here without an extensive re-write.

My wife just dropped $6750 (plus sales tax) on a 2007 Harley Davidson
Sportster that she swears will pay us back in gas savings for her commute. I
remain skeptical but I'm afraid if I complain too much she'll point at my
fleet of boats and demand that one of them must go. A fate worse than a fate
worse than death. So I put my 1986 Sportster into the shop for a minor
overhaul and new tires and I'll be able to join her. If we ride together we
get almost the same mileage as the Kia gets and don't have to mess with air
conditioners, XM satellite radio, cold sodas from the back seat... hmm...
there may be something wrong with this picture.

I wonder if I can get a trailer to haul my Coaster behind the Sporty.
W00000!!!

Your new bike makes me jealous though. When I was injured back in 1989 the
result was a left knee that cannot bend more than 65 degrees (110 required
to pedal a bicycle). This after pedaling my (cute) butt all around Europe on
a Peugeot PX-10 (complete with sew-ups and only one flat in 800 miles) plus
daily trips to work. Hard to give all that up. Maybe I should see if they've
come up with something new.

Work on the Mutha-Ship is progressing nicely and we are very close to
launch. I'm working on the engine-room blower system today plus the propane
locker and tank and a mount for the GPS/depth sounder. I have to put the
boat in the water in order to get the trailer inspected and licensed, then
get the boat back on the trailer and over to Puget Sound and onto a mooring
at the Whidbey campsite. I just ordered $300 worth of LED interior lights,
blower hose, and a VHF radio antenna so I can talk to you when you're
paddling Pender as I'm anchored at Stuart.


Craig
"He who dies with the most toys wins... and every boat equals 1.5 toys."





On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote:

> I just dropped 2 grand on a new Kona road bike (with flat bar) and gear,
> I'm going out riding (new bike/gear is part of my go-light gear replacement
> this year; up to two and a half grand now on my kayak gear replacement
> program, and still don't have a lightweight kayak yet). New bike computer
> will tally the miles. Then , back this afternoon to work on my Brooks
> article (found two paddlers who spent two days with Brian Grant just before
> he died off Brooks Peninsula July 2006, so a wonderful connection/first hand
> account there, but a partial story re-writer now necessary).
>
> Well, there's always Paddlewise Mr. Craig Loafer when you wake up again.
> Just turn on your Paddlewise pedantic pedometer to tally-up your key
> strokes, though Paddlewise seems slow these days so I take it folk's fingers
> aren't getting the usual workout. :-)
>
> Doug Lloyd
>
>
>
>
>  On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 11:05 PM, The Housers <houser4_at_earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  On one of Duane Strosaker's Catalina for Lunch trips (
>>> www.rollordrown.com
>>> ),
>>> I measured my cadence and multiplied by the number of minutes in route
>>> (subtracting breaks) and discovered I did 33,000 strokes that day.  Not
>>> as
>>> exact as your pedometer but close enough.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It's Sunday morning. I've been up for 30 minutes, I've had my frist cup of
>> coffee, I checked my e-mail. I was thinking seriuosly about a nice
>> paddle...
>> and now, for some reason, I feel like I need a nap.
>>
>> Nice statistic.
>>
>> Craig Jungers
>> Moses Lake, WA
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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Paddling Pedometry
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:08:45 -0700
Craig said (snip):

> My pedant-o-meter has been off the charts all winter and I had to send it 
> in
> for a rebuild. I've noticed that Paddlewise has been... umm... shall we 
> say,
> quiet.... ok, moribund... over the past month or so. People are posting on
> their local sites (CKF, WCP, etc.) more than on P'wise. My last posting on
> WestCoastPaddlers of any real interest was about the "gray zone" but 
> because
> it included pictures (of moi in my Express... my god, but I'm handsome 
> from
> the back) it was impossible to post it here without an extensive re-write.

Good headwind on my new ride home tonight and some interesting side gusts 
making my aero bars an interesting proposition to use. Was thinking about 
previous Junes over the years - and kayaking. I've had some good June storm 
kayak episodes over the years. Good "spring" tides against stiff winds have 
been fodder for some interesting times. Maybe by next spring I'll have a 
storm-worthy yak.

Knees sore, so keeping a good spin - no heavy cycling for a couple of weeks. 
Nice having a light bike with all spinning parts light too. Can see why a 
carbon paddle makes for easier yaking.

Looks like maybe snow down your way tonight. Fire up those snowplows.

Doug Lloyd 
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