Re: [Paddlewise] Feed the Need

Doug,
If you compare the NF Legend to the Nordkapp, both are very tippy (too tippy 
for me), but you have a 'boxy' vs a round cross section.  So chines do not 
necessarily provide either reserve stability or feedback.  Have you 
considered the Necky Chatham 18, only 20" in beam, with chines?  It feels 
quite stable and progressive when leaning, but I do not recall how 
responsive it is to carving.  It will certainly be fast.

I also wonder about the Nigel Foster designs.  When you lean they do not 
feel progressive, preferring to be on one chine or the other.  What is the 
point?

So I am not suggesting a 'boxy' cross section, rather a bit of the right 
kind of chine, whatever that means.

Jerry

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Lloyd" <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
To: "Jerry F" <gfoodma_at_earthlink.net>; "Craig Jungers" <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
Cc: "paddlewise" <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Feed the Need


> Jerry,
> I appreciate your perspective on "feedback." I think that may well 
> sumarize what I'm missing in a kayak at the moment. I've always equated 
> responsiveness with a degree of tippiness, simply because the kayak 
> responds to hip movement so much faster. However my experience with the 
> Nordkapp HS and HM is that there isn't a lot of responsiveness to carving 
> turns using body language and strokes, as it were. I like the Mariner II. 
> It does as you suggest. It just felt like too much boat underfoot for me - 
> not sure why. I know the Foster Legend does much the same but feels very 
> tender. I wonder why Nigel attributed this kayak with the degree of 
> tenderness he did. Faster point A to B?
>
> I think the cross section of the type of performace playboat you suggest 
> is a boxy cross section. That's a departure for me and something I would 
> have to acclimatize too. Also, while a lot of these kayaks do well in tide 
> races and rock gardens, I like a kayak that is fun in high wind and waves 
> (that wildness factor). From what I've read, the Illusion is one of the 
> few kayak designs promising performance in all the other criteria, as well 
> as high wind.
>
> We shall see what direction I will go. Nick has some interesting hull 
> designs too one could spring board off from if I build my own kayak in 
> frustration. How much rocker I'd want is something that is really one big 
> compromise. So, my thoughts are a bit random right now, however it is time 
> for a change for me.
>
> Doug Lloyd
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