Re: [Paddlewise] Water's been warm for this time of year!

From: Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:18:00 -0800
   Craig:

      I would not be unduly concerned until barracuda, pompano, tarpon,
   and triggerfish start showing up around your dock.

   Brad


Quoting Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>:

> While I can understand the "ah-ha" nature of finding that some scientists
> have been reluctant to release some data, I can also understand how the
> scientists feel. Namely, under attack and under close scrutiny lest they
> make a slip that gets publicized out of all proportion. This has happened to
> biologists talking about evolution as well. Statements get taken out of
> context and become "evidence" for a world-wide cover-up.
>
> However I'm still not convinced of any motive for such a cover-up.
> Certainly, not all the evidence can be conspiracy-oriented. Glaciers are
> obviously retreating. The ice on the lake I live on becomes frozen solid
> later every year and thaws earlier every yet. Ocean temperature data may be
> hidden or manipulated but that doesn't acount for the obvious movement of
> warmer-water fish into higher latitudes. And while it's certainly possible
> that ice thicknesses in Greenland and Antarctica can be hidden or secretly
> enhanced, the split of huge ice shelves belies any world-wide coverup of
> global cooling instead of warming.
>
> It's like cigarettes. In the 1950s the real hidden evidence and skewed data
> was among the corporations that had a monetary stake in the status quo. The
> scientists working for those corporations knew - but were forced to keep
> secret - the data showing how deadly a lifetime of using tobacco products
> could be. Even so, we may not have known just how bad tobacco was for us,
> but we certainly knew it wasn't "good" for us. And the first thing most
> coaches did was make student athletes quit smoking so they must've known
> too. "Obvious" evidence finally prevailed but there were a number of years
> where people who objected to having co-workers blow smoke in their face were
> derided.
>
> So on the basis of "follow the money" I still think most of the made-up
> data, disinformation, and propaganda is coming from companies that stand to
> lose money if the world moves to stop human influences on global warming.
> Like cigarettes, we may not know exactly what we're doing... but it's pretty
> obvious that car exhaust and all the rest can't possibly be "good" for us.
> And Exxon just might find that threatening.
>
> So what obvious economic advantage would the scientists have to skew data in
> favor of human-caused global warming? Are the solar panel and wind-power
> corporations behind it all and using their vast wealth to move us away from
> petro-chemicals? Do the huge resources of the electric car industry provide
> the money to pay off the scientists?
>
> Fortunately for me, global warming kicked in today and we had 50F temps with
> sunshine and instead of the 6-inches of solid ice I would have had 10 years
> ago I launched the Mariner II and went for a 4-mile paddle. :)  Couple of
> photos on my blog, www.nwkayaking.net.
>
>
> Craig Jungers
> Moses Lake, WA
> www.nwkayaking.net
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