Re: [Paddlewise] Water's been warm for this time of year!

> *So what obvious economic advantage would the scientists have to skew data
>>
>> in favor of human-caused global warming? *
>>
>>
>> government money...is not neutral. Any more than corporate money is
>> neutral.
>> Motive? How about simply government wants a power grab. Indoctrinate the
>> gullible populace.... lie if you prefer the blunt word...
>>
>
>
> If it were only the US scientists who are concerned then you might possibly
> have a point (although I have actually been involved in conspiracies as part
> of my job description and I can assure you that it's nowhere near as easy as
> you make it sound). But it's people and governments all over the world. How
> would you explain that unless you think that it's a world conspiracy of
> governments as well.
>
---------------------------------------------------------------

Cap and Trade is completely w/o justification w/o the support of GW. Cap and
trade, along with all the various local..(EPA and it variants around the
world) justify making law to take away our freedoms based on fraudulent
data. From the car you drive to the light bulb you use. EPA has announced
regulations designed to deal with the non-existant problem. Centralizing
Power, be it EU or UN, is the goal.

When the core numbers are fraudulent, and there is no question they are, all
the subsequent data generated from them, even by innocent, legitimate
researchers, is going to be wrong. No need for a far reaching conspiracy,
when the foundation is bad the building will collapse. It has every
appearance of beginning to implode. Even Monboit is shaken by this, and his
fervent, belief is where the term Moonbat came from

While I have had my doubts about the conclusion all along, I didn't think we
were being outright lied to. There were questions that needed answering and
no one coming forward to answer them. I couldn't imagine why. I am sorry to
admit that for me, and many others, the credibility of "science" has taken a
serious hit, especially science that doesn't result in something that can be
held, such as my earlier example of plastics.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Taking that to things I can observe. SF Bay stunk in the 70's I couldn't
imagine anyone enjoying water sports on the bay then. Now the water is
clearer, no bad smell, it seems the pollution controls have worked pretty
well, not to mention run off (silt) from the hydraulic mining in the Sierras
from the late 1800 has apparently run out. So now we have two factions of
enviornmentalists at odds with each other. Those that support the relatively
recent ecosystem that depended on the silt, and those that want to restore
the estuaries to what they think it was prior to the hydraulic mining.
Completely different ecosystems. And an ecosystem in transition as a result
of our activities not related to GW, though some have made the attempt.

The stink was in part sewage, treated or not, that cities dumped in the bay
along with household garbage. Since that has stopped it is interesting to
note that things on the shoreline have changed. It does seem there are more
shorebirds poking around in the mud, but there used to be more small crabs
to be seen sunning themselves on the rip rap. A neighbor at the marina tells
me that even a few years ago there would be thousands of fingerlings to be
seen from the docks, but they are not here now. Maybe its the cleaner water,
can mean less food which equals less populations, or maybe its the
shorebirds eating them all, there are a lot of them. The birds were near
extinction because of our hunting them for their feathers, in the case of
the egrets, more birds, eat more fish, same argument with seals and salmon.
Not hard to imagine fish populations suffering from less food and more
predation, even if we aren't over fishing.

This study does not need the underpinnings of GW to be worthwhile.
-------------------------------------------------------

As I have previously pointed out, everything under the sun is caused by GW,
yesterday it was war in Africa. for your memories
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm

unfortunately, the owner hasn't updated since July 08.

Take some unknown, explain how things happen, and have an open debate and I
will be happy to listen. Tie it into GW and I couldn't care less. It is
based on a lie..

Thanks, Paul Hayward, for a clearer explanation of how government money is
tainted.

Mike
San Rafael
observing my local conditions for 56 years, and it is getting cooler where I
live.
***************************************************************************
PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed
here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire
responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author.
Submissions:     PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net
Subscriptions:   PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net
Website:         http://www.paddlewise.net/
***************************************************************************