Not that easy Craig, didn't you notice the Spiegel link... Global Warming has stalled for ten years, while others say 11? If any part of mother earth has cooled, it has balanced out any part that has warmed. It is simply local observance. Efforts by CRU, NASA and now New Zealand's National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research (NiWA) New Zealands answer to Britains Climate Research Unit, to tie is all together with tricks and fixes have failed. And to judge by this news alert by the *Climate Science Coalition of NZ*, * both* i*nstitutions share a similarly laissez-faire attitude to scientific accuracy.* http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017977/climategate-the-s candal-spreads-the-plot-thickens-the-shame-deepens/ Their efforts to connect the dots have failed, but you know that, because you have read the relevant emails from CRU, read about Hansen's misplaced decimal point (among other things) and understand that beneath all the fraud in AGW research is the truth..[?] Here are a few of the central parts of the AGW argument, or should I say the debate points *Glaciers in Himalayas not melting.* Other glacier may be melting, but it is no more proof than the Himalaya's http://www.theresilientearth.com/?q=content/himalayan-glaciers-not-melting *Tree Ring Data cosmic indicator, not weather?* http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_8311000/8311373.stm http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/29/yamal_scandal/ *CO2 is a leading indicator* of GW in dispute or *FALSE*. On the contrary, CO2 increases after the rise in temp on the order of 800 years http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm *Misleading Data gathered before it is hacked up at CRU, or NASA* or *NiWA* Many of the US weather data gathering stations are in poor location, next to incinerators, parking lots, cities grown up around them or other things that will cause the information gathered to be inaccurate http://www.surfacestations.org/ I WANT TO BE CLEAR, I do not doubt the naturally occurring global warming/cooling cycles, only a fool believes in a static global climate. The debate about AGW has never been held, even you choose to demean rather than discuss. There very clearly is much debatable data/science on this topic. Evidence presented by warmists have very serious flaws, to be polite. Man's activities cannot be tied to any temperature shift. If anything, AGW starts with an ideal static climate and tries to tie any changes to mankind. The gig is up now to deal with the politicians trying to shove this lie down our collective throats! *In all sincerity, I wish all my American list mates here on Paddlewise a very Happy Thanksgiving and a Merry Christmas, or what ever your winter timeto the entire list. May 2010 bring you some great paddling adventures.*observance may be Mike San Rafael, CA On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com> wrote: > Mike and Paul, > > I suddenly realized that you two are iconoclasts and no amount of evidence > is going to sway you; further discussion is really a waste of bandwidth. > > But just to give Mike some data that his theory that in 2009 most of the > earth cooled... only the central part of the USA was cooler on average. Here > is the link to the story (although I'm pretty sure neither of you will > accept the data as anything other than true-believer propaganda): > http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/2009-08-10-july-climate-report_N.htm > CNN has finally gotten around to acknowledging this scandal, to date USA Today has not, All CNN and NY Times have done is make excuses for the scammers, much like you have. [demime 1.01e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of 361.gif] *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************Received on Thu Nov 26 2009 - 13:29:09 PST
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