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From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_rockandwater.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Thank you global warming
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:25:12 -0500
As a scientist, I am continually amazed that people who lack basic
literacy in the field have the audacity to not only think they understand
complex issues like global warming, but the outright arrogance to assert
that they can participate in the scientific conversation despite the fact
that they don't speak the language it's conducted in.

To explain: there are a multitude of basic physical concepts that must be
mastered before one can grasp a subject like climatology.  The list is long,
but might reasonably include things like adibiatic cooling, ocean currents,
Rayleigh scattering, planetary albedo, jet streams, ionization,
and hundreds of others.  Yet we frequently find -- as in this discussion
thread on this list -- that there are people holding strong opinions on
the topic who don't understand these concepts -- and therefore do not
know what those opinions mean.  (We know that they don't understand
the concepts because their own words convincingly demonstrate so.)
These opinions aren't worth refuting: they can be summarily dismissed,
because they're based on junk.  Or worse.

	That is not even good enough to be wrong.
		--- Enrico Fermi

And grasping all those concepts is still not enough.  They're merely
the building blocks, the conceptual foundation, and they're related to
each other, and to the larger general processes of climate, by complex
mathematical relationships.  THAT is the language in which the discussion
is held, and anyone without the requisite level of mathematical literacy
(e.g., multivariate stochastic processes) simply can't participate.
They are as wholly illiterate in this field as I am in (to pick one of
many) contemporary Italian poetry.  I can't read Italian.  I know very
little about poetry.  I have no idea what the hell is going on in
that discipline.  And anyone without a sufficiently advanced mathematical
background has no idea what the hell is going on with climate change.

	The greatest shortcoming of the human race is man's inability
	to understand the exponential function.
		--- Albert A. Bartlett

I don't entirely blame these people for their lack of knowledge; I could
go on (and have gone on) at great length about the appalling lapses of
educational systems that actually permit students to escape high school
without -- at minimum -- achieving a satisfactory understanding of basic
calculus and introductory physics.  Anyone lacking these is clearly
scientifically illiterate, and unfortunately, that currently covers
the overwhelming majority of the population.  But whatever the underlying
cause(s), the reality is that these people are very ill-equipped to
discern fabricated crap (e.g., creationism) from actual science
(e.g., evolution) and we as a society end up spending an absurd amount
of resources -- not on making actual forward progress in scientific
research, but on preventing it from being dragged back into the Dark Ages
by the superstitious, the ignorant, the exploitive, and the just plain crazy.
(There are entire web sites devoted to this issue; one relevant to
this discussion is climatedenial.org, which is written by someone who
clearly has far more patience than I do.)

What I blame them for is not *admitting* their lack of knowledge,
for pretending that they actually understand the discipline when in
fact all they're doing is mouthing talking points, repeating
long-discredited assertions, or spouting gibberish.  This is
irresponsible behavior, and at least to me, highly annoying behavior.
I view it with the same disdain that I would view a serious assertion
that the earth is flat: it's a complete waste of everyone's time.

So here's my advice: unless you [generic you] can -- right here,
right now, without looking anything up -- state the three laws of
thermodynamics, explain the carbon dioxide phase diagram, provide an
example of a perturbation function, and solve a partial differential
equation, then you should really stuff a sock in it when it comes
to climate change, because you don't understand it.  Not really.
You're welcome to change that: in fact, that'd be be an entirely
good thing, for you and for society in general.  But it'll take a
lot of time and effort.  And until them, you should really be listening
to and learning from the people who've already done that.

	This is precisely what common sense is for, to be jarred into
	uncommon sense.  One of the chief services which mathematics has
	rendered the human race in the past century is to put 'common
	sense' where it belongs, on the topmost shelf next to the dusty
	canister labeled 'discarded nonsense.'
		--- Eric Temple Bell

So here is the bottom line on global warming -- from someone who
has actually read a decent chunk of the original research, not just
the synopses published in the popular press or the propaganda spouted
by the denialists:

	It's real.

	Our actions are driving it.

	Reality keeps turning out to be worse than the most
		pessimistic predictions.

	Reality keeps turning out to be getting worse faster than
		the most pessimistic predictions.

	It's not clear that even if we do everything we can do,
		that it'll be enough to slow it down.  But it
		is clear that we should have done it yesterday.

---Rsk
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Thank you global warming
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:38:10 -0800
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_rockandwater.net> wrote:

> ...and solve a partial differential equation...
>

I'm guessing that getting half-way through a differential equation does not
qualify as "partial".


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
www.nwkayaking.net
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Calculus? Heck, Get 'Em to Do Algebra!
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:05:20 -0800
Craig Jungers wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_rockandwater.net> wrote:
> 
>> ...and solve a partial differential equation...
>>
> 
> I'm guessing that getting half-way through a differential equation does not
> qualify as "partial".

Sheesh!  Here in Oregon we test out kids with A's and B's in high school 
algebra as needing remedial 8th grade arithmetic!

Sign me:   The dumb pot-boiling chemist who did some equations partially 
differently at one point in his life.  Seriously:  DiffEq done right is an 
amazingly insightful part of mathematics.  Dashpots, flow regimes, 
oscillating chemical reactions, etc.  A world opened up.

-- 
Dave Kruger:
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Calculus? Heck, Get 'Em to Do Algebra!
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:28:11 -0800
My son-in-law (remember Michael, the ChemE?) and I were discussing this just
last week before he left for yet-another trip to China. We agreed that it's
almost always easier to just iterate a solution using a programmable
calculator than it is to solve an equation. That was the reason, back in the
70s, that I lusted for an HP35. Even at half-a-month's pay.

I have no idea how to solve the problems of teaching math in the schools but
they seemed to do it better in the 60s. But Michael is damned good at it, so
go figure.


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
www.nwkayaking.net

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com> wrote:

> Craig Jungers wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_rockandwater.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  ...and solve a partial differential equation...
>>>
>>>
>> I'm guessing that getting half-way through a differential equation does
>> not
>> qualify as "partial".
>>
>
> Sheesh!  Here in Oregon we test out kids with A's and B's in high school
> algebra as needing remedial 8th grade arithmetic!
>
> Sign me:   The dumb pot-boiling chemist who did some equations partially
> differently at one point in his life.  Seriously:  DiffEq done right is an
> amazingly insightful part of mathematics.  Dashpots, flow regimes,
> oscillating chemical reactions, etc.  A world opened up.
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From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_rockandwater.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Thank you global warming
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:00:58 -0500
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 05:38:10AM -0800, Craig Jungers wrote:
> I'm guessing that getting half-way through a differential equation does not
> qualify as "partial".

<chuckle> No more than flipping over and not recovering qualifies
as a "roll". ;-)

Of course, as luck would have it, about two hours after sending that
off I found myself several sheets of paper deep into a diffeq which
was offering significant resistance. ;-)  Happily, application of
sufficient coffee combined with a few dusted-off volumes from the
top shelf pummeled it into submission a bit later.

---Rsk
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Thank you global warming
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:29:03 -0800
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_rockandwater.net> wrote:

>
> <chuckle> No more than flipping over and not recovering qualifies
> as a "roll". ;-)
>

I like to refer to those as a "partial roll" or, sometimes, "half Danish".
:P

Of course, as luck would have it, about two hours after sending that
> off I found myself several sheets of paper deep into a diffeq which
> was offering significant resistance. ;-)  Happily, application of
> sufficient coffee combined with a few dusted-off volumes from the
> top shelf pummeled it into submission a bit later.
>
> It's nice to know that I'm not the only one who can solve "partial"
differential equations.

There aren't very many good math jokes... ever notice that?


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
www.nwkayaking.net
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Thank you global warming
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:40:16 -0800
Craig Jungers wrote:

> There aren't very many good math jokes... ever notice that?

Fave T-shirt shows the formula for area of a circle, with a sentence below:

"No!  Pie are ROUND!"

-- 
Dave Kruger (back in his test tube, now, thinking about paddling)
Astoria, OR
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From: Darryl Johnson <Darryl.Johnson_at_sympatico.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Thank you global warming
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:50:12 -0500
Craig Jungers wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_rockandwater.net> wrote:
> 
>> <chuckle> No more than flipping over and not recovering qualifies
>> as a "roll". ;-)
>>
> 
> I like to refer to those as a "partial roll" or, sometimes, "half Danish".
> :P
> 
> Of course, as luck would have it, about two hours after sending that
>> off I found myself several sheets of paper deep into a diffeq which
>> was offering significant resistance. ;-)  Happily, application of
>> sufficient coffee combined with a few dusted-off volumes from the
>> top shelf pummeled it into submission a bit later.
>>
>> It's nice to know that I'm not the only one who can solve "partial"
> differential equations.
> 
> There aren't very many good math jokes... ever notice that?
> 
> 
> Craig Jungers
> Moses Lake, WA
> www.nwkayaking.net

How about the old chestnut:

What's the difference between 31 Oct and 25 Dec?

Maybe that's more of a computer nerd joke. (Hint, hint!)

-- 
   Darryl
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Thank you global warming
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:26:49 -0800
That's one I've never heard... and I'm a computer nerd too... *and* used to
run Honeywell 316 machines which had to be bootstrapped in octal. Made me
smile though. :)

Craig

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Darryl Johnson
<Darryl.Johnson_at_sympatico.ca>wrote:

>
> How about the old chestnut:
>
> What's the difference between 31 Oct and 25 Dec?
>
> Maybe that's more of a computer nerd joke. (Hint, hint!)
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From: Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Thank you global warming
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:24:57 -0800
   There are there kinds of people in the world: those who can count
and those who can't.

   Brad


Quoting Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>:

> There aren't very many good math jokes... ever notice that?
>
> Craig Jungers
> Moses Lake, WA
> www.nwkayaking.net
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From: William Jennings <will_at_bigwoodenradio.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Global warming & Greenland
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:38:01 -0600
Only 10 kinds of people who understand binary.

That out of the way, if you have the opportunity to read Gretel Ehrlich's newest writings about her Nat Geo funded work in Greenland....please do.
Even better if you have the chance to hear her read from/about her more recent travels there
and what the loss of the Greenland ice cap means for all native peoples of the far north.

Well, that and if you want to invest in waterfront property in 2099, get out your topos and look inland.
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From: Steve Cramer <cramersec_at_charter.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Thank you global warming
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:56:39 -0500
How many can spell? ;)

Bradford R. Crain wrote:
>   There are there kinds of people in the world: those who can count
> and those who can't.

There are two kinds of people in the world, people who think there are 
two kinds of people and people who don't.--H.H Mencken

-- 
Steve Cramer
Athens, GA
http://www.savvypaddler.com
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From: Harvey Golden <harveydgolden_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Thank you global warming
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:52:43 -0800 (PST)
--That's H. L. Mencken. . . . ;-) ;-) Best, Harvey 

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Steve Cramer <cramersec_at_charter.net> wrote:How many can
spell? ;)

Bradford R. Crain wrote:
>   There are there kinds of people in the world: those who can count
> and those who can't.

There are two kinds of people in the world, people who think there are two
kinds of people and people who don't.--H.H Mencken
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From: Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Thank you global warming
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:28:50 -0800
That's called partial credit.

BRC

Quoting Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_rockandwater.net>:

> On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 05:38:10AM -0800, Craig Jungers wrote:
>> I'm guessing that getting half-way through a differential equation does not
>> qualify as "partial".
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