As a scientist, I am continually amazed that people who lack basic literacy in the field have the audacity to not only think they understand complex issues like global warming, but the outright arrogance to assert that they can participate in the scientific conversation despite the fact that they don't speak the language it's conducted in. To explain: there are a multitude of basic physical concepts that must be mastered before one can grasp a subject like climatology. The list is long, but might reasonably include things like adibiatic cooling, ocean currents, Rayleigh scattering, planetary albedo, jet streams, ionization, and hundreds of others. Yet we frequently find -- as in this discussion thread on this list -- that there are people holding strong opinions on the topic who don't understand these concepts -- and therefore do not know what those opinions mean. (We know that they don't understand the concepts because their own words convincingly demonstrate so.) These opinions aren't worth refuting: they can be summarily dismissed, because they're based on junk. Or worse. That is not even good enough to be wrong. --- Enrico Fermi And grasping all those concepts is still not enough. They're merely the building blocks, the conceptual foundation, and they're related to each other, and to the larger general processes of climate, by complex mathematical relationships. THAT is the language in which the discussion is held, and anyone without the requisite level of mathematical literacy (e.g., multivariate stochastic processes) simply can't participate. They are as wholly illiterate in this field as I am in (to pick one of many) contemporary Italian poetry. I can't read Italian. I know very little about poetry. I have no idea what the hell is going on in that discipline. And anyone without a sufficiently advanced mathematical background has no idea what the hell is going on with climate change. The greatest shortcoming of the human race is man's inability to understand the exponential function. --- Albert A. Bartlett I don't entirely blame these people for their lack of knowledge; I could go on (and have gone on) at great length about the appalling lapses of educational systems that actually permit students to escape high school without -- at minimum -- achieving a satisfactory understanding of basic calculus and introductory physics. Anyone lacking these is clearly scientifically illiterate, and unfortunately, that currently covers the overwhelming majority of the population. But whatever the underlying cause(s), the reality is that these people are very ill-equipped to discern fabricated crap (e.g., creationism) from actual science (e.g., evolution) and we as a society end up spending an absurd amount of resources -- not on making actual forward progress in scientific research, but on preventing it from being dragged back into the Dark Ages by the superstitious, the ignorant, the exploitive, and the just plain crazy. (There are entire web sites devoted to this issue; one relevant to this discussion is climatedenial.org, which is written by someone who clearly has far more patience than I do.) What I blame them for is not *admitting* their lack of knowledge, for pretending that they actually understand the discipline when in fact all they're doing is mouthing talking points, repeating long-discredited assertions, or spouting gibberish. This is irresponsible behavior, and at least to me, highly annoying behavior. I view it with the same disdain that I would view a serious assertion that the earth is flat: it's a complete waste of everyone's time. So here's my advice: unless you [generic you] can -- right here, right now, without looking anything up -- state the three laws of thermodynamics, explain the carbon dioxide phase diagram, provide an example of a perturbation function, and solve a partial differential equation, then you should really stuff a sock in it when it comes to climate change, because you don't understand it. Not really. You're welcome to change that: in fact, that'd be be an entirely good thing, for you and for society in general. But it'll take a lot of time and effort. And until them, you should really be listening to and learning from the people who've already done that. This is precisely what common sense is for, to be jarred into uncommon sense. One of the chief services which mathematics has rendered the human race in the past century is to put 'common sense' where it belongs, on the topmost shelf next to the dusty canister labeled 'discarded nonsense.' --- Eric Temple Bell So here is the bottom line on global warming -- from someone who has actually read a decent chunk of the original research, not just the synopses published in the popular press or the propaganda spouted by the denialists: It's real. Our actions are driving it. Reality keeps turning out to be worse than the most pessimistic predictions. Reality keeps turning out to be getting worse faster than the most pessimistic predictions. It's not clear that even if we do everything we can do, that it'll be enough to slow it down. But it is clear that we should have done it yesterday. ---Rsk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_rockandwater.net> wrote: > ...and solve a partial differential equation... > I'm guessing that getting half-way through a differential equation does not qualify as "partial". Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Craig Jungers wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_rockandwater.net> wrote: > >> ...and solve a partial differential equation... >> > > I'm guessing that getting half-way through a differential equation does not > qualify as "partial". Sheesh! Here in Oregon we test out kids with A's and B's in high school algebra as needing remedial 8th grade arithmetic! Sign me: The dumb pot-boiling chemist who did some equations partially differently at one point in his life. Seriously: DiffEq done right is an amazingly insightful part of mathematics. Dashpots, flow regimes, oscillating chemical reactions, etc. A world opened up. -- Dave Kruger: *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
My son-in-law (remember Michael, the ChemE?) and I were discussing this just last week before he left for yet-another trip to China. We agreed that it's almost always easier to just iterate a solution using a programmable calculator than it is to solve an equation. That was the reason, back in the 70s, that I lusted for an HP35. Even at half-a-month's pay. I have no idea how to solve the problems of teaching math in the schools but they seemed to do it better in the 60s. But Michael is damned good at it, so go figure. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com> wrote: > Craig Jungers wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_rockandwater.net> >> wrote: >> >> ...and solve a partial differential equation... >>> >>> >> I'm guessing that getting half-way through a differential equation does >> not >> qualify as "partial". >> > > Sheesh! Here in Oregon we test out kids with A's and B's in high school > algebra as needing remedial 8th grade arithmetic! > > Sign me: The dumb pot-boiling chemist who did some equations partially > differently at one point in his life. Seriously: DiffEq done right is an > amazingly insightful part of mathematics. Dashpots, flow regimes, > oscillating chemical reactions, etc. A world opened up. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 05:38:10AM -0800, Craig Jungers wrote: > I'm guessing that getting half-way through a differential equation does not > qualify as "partial". <chuckle> No more than flipping over and not recovering qualifies as a "roll". ;-) Of course, as luck would have it, about two hours after sending that off I found myself several sheets of paper deep into a diffeq which was offering significant resistance. ;-) Happily, application of sufficient coffee combined with a few dusted-off volumes from the top shelf pummeled it into submission a bit later. ---Rsk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_rockandwater.net> wrote: > > <chuckle> No more than flipping over and not recovering qualifies > as a "roll". ;-) > I like to refer to those as a "partial roll" or, sometimes, "half Danish". :P Of course, as luck would have it, about two hours after sending that > off I found myself several sheets of paper deep into a diffeq which > was offering significant resistance. ;-) Happily, application of > sufficient coffee combined with a few dusted-off volumes from the > top shelf pummeled it into submission a bit later. > > It's nice to know that I'm not the only one who can solve "partial" differential equations. There aren't very many good math jokes... ever notice that? Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Craig Jungers wrote: > There aren't very many good math jokes... ever notice that? Fave T-shirt shows the formula for area of a circle, with a sentence below: "No! Pie are ROUND!" -- Dave Kruger (back in his test tube, now, thinking about paddling) Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Craig Jungers wrote: > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_rockandwater.net> wrote: > >> <chuckle> No more than flipping over and not recovering qualifies >> as a "roll". ;-) >> > > I like to refer to those as a "partial roll" or, sometimes, "half Danish". > :P > > Of course, as luck would have it, about two hours after sending that >> off I found myself several sheets of paper deep into a diffeq which >> was offering significant resistance. ;-) Happily, application of >> sufficient coffee combined with a few dusted-off volumes from the >> top shelf pummeled it into submission a bit later. >> >> It's nice to know that I'm not the only one who can solve "partial" > differential equations. > > There aren't very many good math jokes... ever notice that? > > > Craig Jungers > Moses Lake, WA > www.nwkayaking.net How about the old chestnut: What's the difference between 31 Oct and 25 Dec? Maybe that's more of a computer nerd joke. (Hint, hint!) -- Darryl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
That's one I've never heard... and I'm a computer nerd too... *and* used to run Honeywell 316 machines which had to be bootstrapped in octal. Made me smile though. :) Craig On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Darryl Johnson <Darryl.Johnson_at_sympatico.ca>wrote: > > How about the old chestnut: > > What's the difference between 31 Oct and 25 Dec? > > Maybe that's more of a computer nerd joke. (Hint, hint!) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
There are there kinds of people in the world: those who can count and those who can't. Brad Quoting Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>: > There aren't very many good math jokes... ever notice that? > > Craig Jungers > Moses Lake, WA > www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Only 10 kinds of people who understand binary. That out of the way, if you have the opportunity to read Gretel Ehrlich's newest writings about her Nat Geo funded work in Greenland....please do. Even better if you have the chance to hear her read from/about her more recent travels there and what the loss of the Greenland ice cap means for all native peoples of the far north. Well, that and if you want to invest in waterfront property in 2099, get out your topos and look inland. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
How many can spell? ;) Bradford R. Crain wrote: > There are there kinds of people in the world: those who can count > and those who can't. There are two kinds of people in the world, people who think there are two kinds of people and people who don't.--H.H Mencken -- Steve Cramer Athens, GA http://www.savvypaddler.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
--That's H. L. Mencken. . . . ;-) ;-) Best, Harvey --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Steve Cramer <cramersec_at_charter.net> wrote:How many can spell? ;) Bradford R. Crain wrote: > There are there kinds of people in the world: those who can count > and those who can't. There are two kinds of people in the world, people who think there are two kinds of people and people who don't.--H.H Mencken *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
That's called partial credit. BRC Quoting Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_rockandwater.net>: > On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 05:38:10AM -0800, Craig Jungers wrote: >> I'm guessing that getting half-way through a differential equation does not >> qualify as "partial". *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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