With all the hype about the new iPad there is a MadTV skit out there about an iPad of their own. Thanks to www.simonwillis.net for the link on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L68aKVAzwQ4 This has to be related to paddling because I saw it first on a paddling-related web site. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Thought you'd like the iPad Craig; at your age and the preponderance for vision-impairment, this thing looks like a visually "large" winner. It might even be great for storm-bound tent days, though I guess you'd be in your Muthaship. I still like the touch, feel, and even smell of books - can't see myself splurging on this for the book download app. Maybe something half the size one day. I'd certainly like something waterproof that did everything, including GPS, etc. Now that would be really sanitary and also useful for jotting down tips from locals instead of on your napkin at the restaurant prior to launching. Well, with the Wii out now and the jokes no longer heard, I don't think Apple will have a problem for too long. Heck, my teens are such iPod fans you could call this thing an iPee and they would still want one. Just as long as my girls don't want me to go out and pick up iPads for them. As for the iPad skit, I remember it well for three years ago. Now that was prophetic. Doug Craig said: With all the hype about the new iPad there is a MadTV skit out there about an iPad of their own. Thanks to www.simonwillis.net for the link on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L68aKVAzwQ4 This has to be related to paddling because I saw it first on a paddling-related web site. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I guess you could call me an "Old Fart Techie". I have the Amazon Kindle and really see no reason for the Ipad. My Kindle is much smaller, lighter, has built it 3G networking, free internet surfing, free email, stores more books than I can read at once, plays music (but I still prefer my IPod for that), and works great in bright sunlight. Oh, did I mention it also costs 1/2 what the Ipad does? I'm getting on a plane tomorrow for a business trip. Ordinarily, I'd need to carry two books with me (I'm flying coast to coast) - now I can throw my Kindle into my computer case with ease. Steve Holtzman *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Did you guys double click on that link? I suspect not. It's a spoof on the Apple iPod(which they call "iPad" for reasons which will become obvious when you see the YouTube link. As for the actual iPad it appears to me to be just a larger iPod Touch or iPhone without the advantages of being able to slip it into a shirt pocket. I'm guessing that it will sink like a stone. For books I'd choose a Kindle too. But for a business trip (or on the Muthah-Ship) I'll take my little Netbook which, even if it does run Windows, at least has a usable keyboard. Well, almost usable. And I can use 3G with it if I tether it to the iPhone (which I'm not supposed to be able to do..... did I mention I'm a techie?) LOL Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net> wrote: > I guess you could call me an "Old Fart Techie". I have the Amazon Kindle > and > really see no reason for the Ipad. My Kindle is much smaller, lighter, has > built it 3G networking, free internet surfing, free email, stores more > books > than I can read at once, plays music (but I still prefer my IPod for that), > and works great in bright sunlight. > > Oh, did I mention it also costs 1/2 what the Ipad does? > > I'm getting on a plane tomorrow for a business trip. Ordinarily, I'd need > to > carry two books with me (I'm flying coast to coast) - now I can throw my > Kindle into my computer case with ease. > > Steve Holtzman *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I also have a Kindle. Over the weekend Amazon and one of the big 6 publishers got into disagreement over pricing (caused by the upcoming appearance of the iPad), and Amazon removed both Kindle books and physical books from their store. Now I can't use my Kindle to buy those books until Amazon puts them back. This was not amusing, and was also totally out of my control - customers as collateral damage in a war between two corporations. A good write-up of that situation is here: http://whatever.scalzi.com/2010/02/01/all-the-many-ways-amazon-so-very-failed-the-weekend/ I mention it because the iPad has the same digital restriction mechanisms on it, and you should know that before you buy it. Apple has already disallowed a Google app and enforced it with that same DRM. Nobody's really sure what they're going to do about the conflict between the iBookstore and the existing iPhone/iPod book reader apps and their previously stated position that you can't sell an app that duplicates existing functionality. It's all a big mess. http://lifehacker.com/5458690/the-problem-with-the-apple-ipad Just something to think about before you buy. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 02/02/2010 10:37 PM, Karl J. Smith wrote: > I also have a Kindle. Over the weekend Amazon and one of the big 6 > publishers got into disagreement over pricing (caused by the upcoming > appearance of the iPad), and Amazon removed both Kindle books and > physical books from their store. Now I can't use my Kindle to buy those > books until Amazon puts them back. This was not amusing, and was also > totally out of my control - customers as collateral damage in a war > between two corporations. > > A good write-up of that situation is here: > > http://whatever.scalzi.com/2010/02/01/all-the-many-ways-amazon-so-very-failed-the-weekend/ > > > I mention it because the iPad has the same digital restriction > mechanisms on it, and you should know that before you buy it. Apple has > already disallowed a Google app and enforced it with that same DRM. > Nobody's really sure what they're going to do about the conflict between > the iBookstore and the existing iPhone/iPod book reader apps and their > previously stated position that you can't sell an app that duplicates > existing functionality. It's all a big mess. > > http://lifehacker.com/5458690/the-problem-with-the-apple-ipad > > Just something to think about before you buy. I like books. No one can "recall" them without your permission, they don't need batteries, I can give them away to charities after I've read them. Pocket books -- mostly -- can fit in a dry bag and the world doesn't end if they get wet. [obligatory paddling content] You can drop books on sharp rocks and there's usually not so much damage as to render them unusable. And when you buy a book, you don't need to have spent anything extra to read it. (Unless you need glasses, and that is going to apply with the digital readers anyway.) I like books, and book stores. I like browsing through books in book stores, reading a snippet here and there to see if the writing is interesting. I like looking at book covers, reading the inside flaps, looking at a photo of the author... Perhaps some of this is available with digital media, but surely not in the same random way. -- Darryl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Oh boy, whatever the weather is, a solid book in a tent by night-time beats any digital media... My favourite trip during the autumn included 6 hours in complete darkness, reading a paperback with 600 pages... http://asaarto1.blogspot.com/2009/11/full-moon-in-august-at-sea-again.html Ari Saarto - navigare necesse est - tel. + 358 (0) 40 58 59 676 http://asaarto1.blogspot.com/ On 6. helmi 2010, at 21:46, Darryl Johnson wrote: > > I like books. No one can "recall" them without your permission, they > don't need batteries, > Darryl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: > > > As for the iPad skit, I remember it well for three years ago. Now that was > prophetic. > > Oops... sorry Doug.... I didn't see this last paragraph. I don't recall the skit but prophetic is clearly the proper word. As for books.... I guess the approximately 1,000 hard-back books in the library might be a testament to my love of imprinted paper. I told my wife that when I die she should get an appraiser out to go through them because a goodly number are first editions and a subset of those are signed. I do find the iPhone pretty useful but expensive. I could easily trade it for a regular cell phone and an iPod because I use the Internet functions mostly in areas where wifi is available anyway. I suspect the highway patrol would look askance at surfing the web while driving although I have pulled over on the freeway to get an address off the 'Net and then plugged that into the windshield-mounted GPS for guidance. Once. I dunno if that's worth $120 a month. What I really like the iPhone for is its ability to get me into the servers (mostly Linux and Unix boxes) and routers (Cisco) for remote administration of networks even when I'm sitting in the Princess at Doheny Beach or in the Muthah-ship at Orcas Island. I have not been that impressed with the GPS in the iPhone especially when compared with one of the stand-alone GPS units from Garmin. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I'm sure one day there will be holographic GPS displays and all kinds of gizmos for use by kayakers. I'll probably spring for an LCD-type reading medium some day - probably OLED-based if I'm still at it. I am setting up a little shelf in my hallway for a weather station. I wonder if there are any recommendations. I' didn't want to spend too much as the times are a bit uncertain here in the Lloyd household, but I want to do some paddling this spring wit good weather intel on the fly. The iPad might do well here in Canada if there isn't the need for 3 year terms with the various providers. Doug On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: > > > As for the iPad skit, I remember it well for three years ago. Now that was > prophetic. > > Oops... sorry Doug.... I didn't see this last paragraph. I don't recall the skit but prophetic is clearly the proper word. As for books.... I guess the approximately 1,000 hard-back books in the library might be a testament to my love of imprinted paper. I told my wife that when I die she should get an appraiser out to go through them because a goodly number are first editions and a subset of those are signed. I do find the iPhone pretty useful but expensive. I could easily trade it for a regular cell phone and an iPod because I use the Internet functions mostly in areas where wifi is available anyway. I suspect the highway patrol would look askance at surfing the web while driving although I have pulled over on the freeway to get an address off the 'Net and then plugged that into the windshield-mounted GPS for guidance. Once. I dunno if that's worth $120 a month. What I really like the iPhone for is its ability to get me into the servers (mostly Linux and Unix boxes) and routers (Cisco) for remote administration of networks even when I'm sitting in the Princess at Doheny Beach or in the Muthah-ship at Orcas Island. I have not been that impressed with the GPS in the iPhone especially when compared with one of the stand-alone GPS units from Garmin. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: > > I am setting up a little shelf in my hallway for a weather station. I > wonder > if there are any recommendations. I' didn't want to spend too much as the > times are a bit uncertain here in the Lloyd household, but I want to do > some > paddling this spring wit good weather intel on the fly. > > A friend of mine set up a rain-gauge in his back yard. Totally non-tech: he goes out every morning at 7am and notes the amount of rain, empties it, and goes back inside to have breakfast. He's kept records for decades and they're quite revealing. He's in Berkeley, CA and his records are often quite different than the "official" numbers. Doing this over a long period of time and including temperature data can result in something meaningful. As for digital weather stations... I use the Internet. :P Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug Lloyd wrote: > I'm sure one day there will be holographic GPS displays and all kinds of > gizmos for use by kayakers. I'll probably spring for an LCD-type reading > medium some day - probably OLED-based if I'm still at it. One day? Check out some of the augmented reality navigation apps that are available now for the iPhone and Droid. The Layar browser augments what you see through the lens of the camera with real time data. I don't know if anyone has done it yet but it wouldn't be difficulty to create a layer for the LAYAR browser which has nautical navigation features. > > The iPad might do well here in Canada if there isn't the need for 3 year > terms with the various providers. It was my understanding that the 3G add-on (for an additional $130US) does not require a term data plan at all. > > As for books.... I guess the approximately 1,000 hard-back books in the > library might be a testament to my love of imprinted paper. I told my wife > that when I die she should get an appraiser out to go through them because a > goodly number are first editions and a subset of those are signed. At a recent conference that I attended we had Vint Cerf (often credited as one of the fathers of the internet; he invented TCP/IP) was talking about the difference between ebooks and physical books. One of the things he said was that he's held books in his hands that were held by Isaac Newton and that was an experience that you just couldn't duplicate with an ebook. > > I do find the iPhone pretty useful but expensive. I could easily trade it > for a regular cell phone and an iPod because I use the Internet functions > mostly in areas where wifi is available anyway. I suspect the highway patrol > would look askance at surfing the web while driving although I have pulled > over on the freeway to get an address off the 'Net and then plugged that > into the windshield-mounted GPS for guidance. Once. I dunno if that's worth > $120 a month. I use the Google voice search fairly often while driving. I don't recall seeing what the GPS capabilities are for the iPad. I will probably get one anyway but if it has a good GPS chip in it that would seal the deal for me. > > What I really like the iPhone for is its ability to get me into the servers > (mostly Linux and Unix boxes) and routers (Cisco) for remote administration > of networks even when I'm sitting in the Princess at Doheny Beach or in the > Muthah-ship at Orcas Island. I haven't used it much but I have the SSH app on my iPhone that provides a secure telnet client onto any of my linux boxes at work. > > I have not been that impressed with the GPS in the iPhone especially when > compared with one of the stand-alone GPS units from Garmin. I also have a handheld Garmin (76Cx) and have done some accuracy comparisons and the iPhone doesn't come close to the Garmin. The iPhone is certainly accurate enough for most navigation that one might do and I've even used it to find a few geocaches where accuracy to 15-20' can really help. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 1/29/2010 7:24 AM, John Fereira wrote: > At a recent conference that I attended we had Vint Cerf (often credited > as one of the fathers of the internet; he invented TCP/IP) was talking > about the difference between ebooks and physical books. One of the > things he said was that he's held books in his hands that were held by > Isaac Newton and that was an experience that you just couldn't duplicate > with an ebook. I've heard it said that at least one of the molecules of oxygen in your lungs right now was once used by Jesus (or Caesar, or [insert ancient famous person here]). It's probably also true then that some of the electrons that created this message traveled down Ben Franklin's kite string. That's not an experience I care to duplicate. But I love paper books. You can't find a Kindle-format novel at a garage sale for 50 cents, and I can keep a flashlight powered easier than an iPad. Steve -- Steve Cramer Athens, GA http://www.savvypaddler.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Jan 29, 2010, at 8:53 AM, Steve Cramer wrote: > > > But I love paper books. You can't find a Kindle-format novel at a garage sale for 50 cents, and I can keep a flashlight powered easier than an iPad. > My teenagers think the iPad is silly. That would say quite a lot given they are Apple fans. Jim et al *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
James Farrelly wrote;a >> <> >> My teenagers think the iPad is silly. That would say quite a lot >> given they are Apple fans. > Yeah... just wait 'til the iPad is available and a friend has one.... Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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