Mike wrote: > Surely you read Phil Jones own statement that there has been > no statistically significant warming in the last 15 years, and the > current cooling trend is likewise not significant? I can supply the > news story if you haven't seen it. Not met either Davy Jones, nor this Phil guy, but a fan of R.V. Jones, whose only book (hard to find!) is one of the most delightful I ever read - and almost entirely about R.V.'s job during WWII as head of technical intelligence. A really good read, "Most Secret War" is! And great fun, too! > World is doing just fine, we just don't know how much we don't > know about how weather operates, except that AGW was all > about politics and government money. Well, I wouldn't say the world is doing well, with the seas dying from over fishing, and our coastlines here dying from too much pollutants/fertilizers. I would never agree that the world is doing well, nor fine, as, as long there are humans around, things are bound to get worse and worse! The US style of life will be gone, as will mine, no doubt, and eventually we'll all be poor sods ruled by the high and mighty, with their millions of minions. Freedom of speech will become a bad joke, as it already is in many countries around the world! The number of species that has become extinct have increased slowly but surely as long as man has been a factor in the balance of nature. That is from the time man learned to speak, and use weapons. Millions of years ago, I suppose. In fairly recent years we've lost the cods in Nova Scotia, today much of the fauna (and flora) around Sweden's coast is gone (the bottoms are just dead, due to mankind's machinations for centuries - the last coral reef here died early 20th century, all that's left is remnants. With industrialism the world started to die big scale - arms were suddenly easy mass-produce, like the Winchester, and the Maxim machine gun, and most using Nobel's nitroglycerin (often in the form of Dynamite) for their explosive charges. The invention of the chain saw started to kill the woods at an ever-increasing rate, the event of steam and coal-powered machines accelerated man's conquest of the nature, and we're still at it! So while 3-4 billion people are killing the fauna and flora, as fast as they can, you claim Earth is doing fine?! So, the world is doing just fine ?! Jeesus, the ignorance of some ... If AGW is a fact, or not, is one matter, but it is beyond doubt that the world would be massively better off without man! Or woman! The Dodos, the massive 8-meter span eagles of New Zealand, the Tasmanian Wolf, the Quagga, the Steller's Sea Cow, and so on, and on, all killed by ignorant men, for the reason they were there - a few more examples can be found here: http://www.50birds.com/extan/gextanimals1.htm But the number of species exterminated by man is much, much bigger! So man's rape of the world is OK? One day Earth will be engulfed by a dying star we call the Sun, as sure as hell will come one day, no matter if you're religious or not! Hopefully we'll all be dead by then, but who knows?! It might come sooner than anticipated! In one way, one could see this is that serves us humans right, but what about the poor animals and plants?! What have they done to deserve this?! Don't give a damned about politics, but I sure would love to have an alive, and thriving, marine ecosystem abound me! Just now it is all dead bottoms, with no fauna, and little flora! Even the seagulls have moved downtown, as there isn't any food for them in their classic, coastal haunts! Tord *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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