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From: Niels Blaauw <niels_at_nibla.nl>
subject: [Paddlewise] Teva shoes
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:44:27 +0100
While the ice is melting and the days are getting longer, I'm slowly 
starting to get my kayaking gear in order. I always spend a couple of 
weeks in May/June on Corsica, so I have two months to get ready. Most 
preparations take mere days (groceries, loading my battery, collecting 
books...) but one cannot start soon enough on finding _shoes_ for the 
trip. Teva is my brand of choice - not that they're any good, but their 
comparators are even worse.

Their sandals are true marvels - as long as you don't kayak. I've seen 
more than one kayaker stuck with his sandal behind a footbrace, and 
Teva's sandals do not give way. You'll drown before you slip out of a 
sandal. I guess Teva considers that a feature.

I used to love their low-profile watershoes: The proton 1 and 2. Number 
3 is a total disaster. Instead of molding the sole to the shape of a 
foot, they seem to have cut this one simply from an inner tube. To make 
it adapt to your foot, they  used the thinnest rubber they could find. 
You might as well wear socks. You might _better_ wear socks actually. In 
its infinite wisdom, Teva has created the upper shoe from two layers of 
thin plastic. Only the top layer has some sort of drainage holes. The 
space between the layers is now a perfect trap for sand: It streams in 
but never streams out. The proton 3 has a lifetime of 1 day.

Yet another shoe, the Gamma Professional, has run for a record time of 
_two_ years. The first series was perfect; on the second you just had to 
cut away a ton of nonsense to get the same perfect shoe. Not a bad 
effort, considering.

Last years shoes (it might have been Sunkosi, but they've deteriorated 
beyond recogition now) took about 3 hours of sewing to prepare for use. 
I had to close several gravel-inlets and move the straps to a useful 
position. Teva should relearn that straps have an actual purpose apart 
from looking fancy.

It seems they _have_ relearned their craft. I've laid my hands on a pair 
of Lava Falls that seem to be good watershoes once again. In my 
combination of delight and despair, I decided to stock up. I found one 
extra pair in my own country (Yeaj!) and then expanded my search to 
Europe, Canada, Australia and the United States before locating two more 
pairs. Not exactly the right color, and a little smaller than I'd hoped, 
but at least they're _shoes_, not pathetic excuses.

I have effectively cornered the global market on Teva Lava Falls, size 
10.5 and 11, and the global market on usable outdoor shoes in general. 
If anyone wants to buy a pair for 10 times the price, then know that 
they're NOT for sale. They're _mine_!

Happy paddling, in whatever might be left in the stores.
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Teva shoes
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:55:19 -0800
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Niels Blaauw <niels_at_nibla.nl> wrote:

> ..........but one cannot start soon enough on finding _shoes_ for the trip.
> Teva is my brand of choice - not that they're any good, but their
> comparators are even worse.
>

I understand your pain. My size 12-1/2 (US) feet also need paddling shoes
that do not take up a lot more room than my bare feet. I have a pair of NRS
Desperado water shoes that have been excellent in the boat but are almost
impossible to put on over a drysuit; at least for an older and less flexible
person such as I am.

Some watershoes have excellent friction which turns out to be a drawback as
they grip so well that you cannot slide your feet into the cockpit. Others
have soles that are well suited to walking but their thick soles make a size
12-1/2 shoe into a size 13-1/2 shoe.... just a bit too long to comfortably
fit in a modern narrow kayak.

Putting them on (and taking them off again) can also be a serious issue.
Certainly it is for me. I am not, as I mentioned above, as flexible as I
used to be and shoes with strong elastic around the ankles can wear me out
to the point where I'm ready to just go back and sit in the car.

The best paddling shoes I have ever found were a pair of floppy scuba
booties with a zipper up the side. I wouldn't want to walk very far in them
but then all I really need them for is to protect the booties of the
drysuit. The zipper makes them simple to put on and take off even when
encumbered with a drysuit. And they are made to fit into the foot-well of
diver's flippers. Another point in their favor is that they are loose enough
to easily slip out of just in case they get jammed up in your foot braces.

And they tend to be cheap... often less than $25.

Mine burned up in the shop fire last year so I've been using the Desperados.
But as soon as I can get to a dive shop I'm gonna find a new pair of floppy
booties.


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
www.nwkayaking.net
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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Teva shoes
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:39:09 -0800
Craig said (snip) in reply to Niels:

>Mine burned up in the shop fire last year so I've been using the
Desperados. But as soon as I can get to a dive shop I'm gonna find a new
pair of floppy booties.<

Floppy booty sounds like a description, at your age, of your dating pool! 

As for Teva sandals, I think there are alternatives with no particular
winners and losers - just differences that suit different paddlers. I do
like the quick-pull style lace systems. However, even the best still allow
sand in and that spells friction and skin abrasion if worn next to skin. New
shoes do come out all the time.

I'm sticking with zippered wetsuit booties for now (though many don't stay
zippered properly) or my Chota Muckluk standbys for cold season. The newer
Kokatat Nomad Mukluks look more warm-weather friendly with their
non-neoprene uppers but all the retailers around here are too bloody afraid
to actually order stock these days. I may need to go over to the mainland -
again. Or shop the world as Niels does, from the privacy of my computer,
though I have never done well at ordering footwear and having a satisfactory
fit. Though in some instances, I like tight booty.

DL   
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From: Nick Schade <nick_at_guillemot-kayaks.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Teva shoes
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:11:01 -0500
I have been most happy with cheap watershoes that you get at low end department stores, similar to these: http://www.swimoutlet.com/product_p/1843.htm  Usually less than $20 a pair I have often picked them up for $10 a pair and get several pair at a time. The side of the heal will wear out within a couple months but at the price you can get several pairs for the cost of Tevas. The only modification I make is removing the insole because it never stays in anyway.

On Mar 11, 2010, at 7:44 PM, Niels Blaauw wrote:
> 
> I have effectively cornered the global market on Teva Lava Falls, size 10.5 and 11, and the global market on usable outdoor shoes in general. If anyone wants to buy a pair for 10 times the price, then know that they're NOT for sale. They're _mine_!
> 

Nick Schade

Guillemot Kayaks
54 South Rd
Groton, CT 06340
USA
Ph/Fx: (860) 659-8847
http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/
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From: Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Teva shoes
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:19:47 -0800
I found that after 3-4 days on the water and camping, the Tevas would
eat my ankles and make them raw in places, which was painful. I switched
to Keene's and they were totally comfortable. Both brands allow pebbles
to lodge under the soles of your feet, which again is not pleasant. Also,
both Tevas and Keenes are pretty expensive, compared to a zippered wet suit
booty. There's something to be said for snug booty.

Bradford R. Crain

Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Teva shoes


>I have been most happy with cheap watershoes that you get at low end 
>department stores, similar to these: 
>http://www.swimoutlet.com/product_p/1843.htm  Usually less than $20 a pair 
>I have often picked them up for $10 a pair and get several pair at a time. 
>The side of the heal will wear out within a couple months but at the price 
>you can get several pairs for the cost of Tevas. The only modification I 
>make is removing the insole because it never stays in anyway.
>
> On Mar 11, 2010, at 7:44 PM, Niels Blaauw wrote:
>>
>> I have effectively cornered the global market on Teva Lava Falls, size 
>> 10.5 and 11, and the global market on usable outdoor shoes in general. If 
>> anyone wants to buy a pair for 10 times the price, then know that they're 
>> NOT for sale. They're _mine_!
>>
>
> Nick Schade
>
> Guillemot Kayaks
> 54 South Rd
> Groton, CT 06340
> USA
> Ph/Fx: (860) 659-8847
> http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/
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From: Chuck Holst <cholst_at_bitstream.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Teva shoes
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:06:28 -0600
I've been wearing Tevas since they first came out, when I wore them for
canoeing and portaging, and still prefer the earliest styles. My feet are
short, unusually wide across the ball, and have high insteps, so adjustable
sandals fit me better than most shoes. My wife likes Keens, but I find them
too warm and not as comfortable in a kayak, and I can't remove the
inevitable sand and pebbles from them as easily as I can from the classic
Tevas. Another reason I prefer sandals, especially Tevas, is that my feet
can dry out between landings, compared to wet boots. I do wear the latter
when I am wearing my dry suit, however, as they protect the dry suit's latex
booties.

Chuck Holst
  


 

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From: Gary J. MacDonald <garyj_at_rogers.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Teva shoes
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:54:04 -0500
I am always down for some snug booty.
GaryJ

On 12/03/2010 12:19 PM, Bradford R. Crain wrote:
> There's something to be said for snug booty.
>
> Bradford R. Crain
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