list...... haven't had a chance to check this out on "snopes" or "urban legends" yet.... but i just heard on a local news broadcast..... that there were BP exec officers on the (yes, that one) oil rig just before the explosion .... celebrating their "safety" record. this would fall into the category of "there is a god"..... steve gulf coast of florida... fighting to prevent more drilling *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Nole4ever_at_aol.com wrote: >list...... > >haven't had a chance to check this out on "snopes" or "urban legends" >yet.... >but i just heard on a local news broadcast..... that there were BP exec >officers >on the (yes, that one) oil rig just before the explosion .... celebrating >their "safety" record. >this would fall into the category of "there is a god"..... > >steve >gulf coast of florida... >fighting to prevent more drilling > > this would fall into the category of "there is a god"..... I don't have a god. But I do know there are an awful lot of people in this world with gods who supposedly celebrate their believers blowing up non-violent people. Here, I did the work for you.... "Workers on Oil Rig Recall a Terrible Night of Blasts" (a story about real people with real families) Maybe it will please you to read about the hell hole that engulfed these humans with real families http://tinyurl.com/2bvdfx8 http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20100508/ZNYT02/5083013/-1/sports11?Title=Workers-on-Oil-Rig-Recall-a-Terrible-Night-of-Blasts also found this doing your research for you..... "Methane Bubble May Have Triggered Oil Rig Blast" http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/methane-bubble-may-have-triggered-oil-rig-blast/19469673 So tell me... does that qualify as "God's Work"? Jackie (a lot of "believers" scare the hell out of me) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Worth reading in re the cause of this: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/5/8/864829/-BPs-3-strikesjail-time-now This article goes into some detail about the 2005 Texas explosion at that killed 15, and the 2006 pipeline spill in Alaska -- as well as the trifling fines levied against BP for both, and the unfortunate lack of serious regulation. It has a link to this *excellent* article in the Miami Herald: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/05/08/1620292/gulf-oil-spill-bp-has-a-long-record.html It's abundantly clear that the root causes of all these sit on the desk of BP executives, who have a decades-long record of skimping on safety whenever possible in order to line their own pockets. ---Rsk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_rockandwater.net> wrote: > > It's abundantly clear that the root causes of all these sit on the > desk of BP executives, who have a decades-long record of skimping > on safety whenever possible in order to line their own pockets. > > It's an industry-wide problem but it seems BP is the most egregious. example. When I worked on drill rigs I thought that it was ironic that safety "posters" were everywhere and there were safety awards (I still have steel-toed boots that were given to me as one of my safety awards) and talks but safety was not allowed to interfere with operations. And if you didn't like it there was always a helicopter to the beach and another oil field worker waiting for your job. BP - which, by the way, once promised to never engage in retail operations in the USA in exchange for its original exclusive control over Alaska's north slope oil fields, is certainly the worst of all operators based upon its history. Exxon, Chevron, ARCO and others have operations all over the world but you really don't see or hear much about them when it comes to environmental issues. Sure, there was the Exxon Valdez but, as I've mentioned (and corroborated by the articles Rich links to), BP played a central part in that disaster as well. The regulations are there but political pressure is always brought to bear when it comes to punishments. Maybe this time there will be a change. We'll see. Thanks for those links, Rich. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I saw a map today (5/09/10) of the oil spill area (the blob) in the Gulf of Mexico, and it looked ominous. I've spent the last four years researching my retirement strategy, and now the oil spill has put everything on hold. I'm lucky that I had not yet made a committment and purchased any property. My realtor tells me that many of those areas along the Gulf are already economically depressed. The oil spill may be the death knell. I had planned to find an area that offered beaches, fishing, kayaking, crabbing, oyster beds, and all the activities I enjoyed while growing up in Florida. Now I may simply keep working until I keel over. Bradford R. Crain In Portland, Oregon, where all we have is volcanic ash and earthquakes. Quoting Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_rockandwater.net>: > Worth reading in re the cause of this: > > http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/5/8/864829/-BPs-3-strikesjail-time-now > > This article goes into some detail about the 2005 Texas explosion at > that killed 15, and the 2006 pipeline spill in Alaska -- as well as > the trifling fines levied against BP for both, and the unfortunate > lack of serious regulation. > > It has a link to this *excellent* article in the Miami Herald: > > http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/05/08/1620292/gulf-oil-spill-bp-has-a-long-record.html > > It's abundantly clear that the root causes of all these sit on the > desk of BP executives, who have a decades-long record of skimping > on safety whenever possible in order to line their own pockets. > > ---Rsk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu> wrote: > My realtor tells me that many of those areas along the Gulf > are already economically depressed. The oil spill may be the death knell. > I had planned to find an area that offered beaches, fishing, kayaking, > crabbing, oyster beds, and all the activities I enjoyed while growing up in > Florida. Now I may simply keep working until I keel over. > I'm no real estate expert but it seems to me that it's in a period of depressed property values that you want to buy real estate. If I were looking to retire to that area I think I'd try to figure out where there might be places less impacted by the spill and buy there; assuming all the other factors were either in place or could be reached. I've always (well almost always) done well buying a place I liked for living rather than as an "investment". Most of the time they turned out to be a good investment too. One big plus is that the crude oil is not especially toxic (according to recent reports) and is relatively light so the impact may not be as severe as you fear. Of course, hurricanes are expected to be more severe and numerous. But they could be wrong. Maybe there is no place that is absolutely safe. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
It's not just BP skimping on safety. We've had (too many?) years of hands-off government oversight of the oil industry and overly-cozy relationships between industry and government. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/05/AR2010050504837.html snips from above: "A rule change two years ago by the federal agency that regulates offshore oil rigs allowed BP to avoid filing a plan specifically for handling a major spill from an uncontrolled blowout at its Deepwater Horizon project" MMS (Minerals Management Service) is the agency that regulates offshore oil rigs. "In 2008, the Interior Department took disciplinary action against eight MMS employees who accepted lavish gifts, partied and - in some cases - had sex with employees from the energy companies they regulated. An investigation cited a "culture of substance abuse and promiscuity" involving employees in the agency's Denver office." Any coincidence? - Mark On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_rockandwater.net> wrote: > Worth reading in re the cause of this: > > http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/5/8/864829/-BPs-3-strikesjail-time-now > > This article goes into some detail about the 2005 Texas explosion at > that killed 15, and the 2006 pipeline spill in Alaska -- as well as > the trifling fines levied against BP for both, and the unfortunate > lack of serious regulation. > > It has a link to this *excellent* article in the Miami Herald: > > http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/05/08/1620292/gulf-oil-spill-bp-has-a-long-record.html > > It's abundantly clear that the root causes of all these sit on the > desk of BP executives, who have a decades-long record of skimping > on safety whenever possible in order to line their own pockets. > > ---Rsk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Mark White <kayakmark_at_gmail.com> wrote: > It's not just BP skimping on safety. We've had (too many?) years of > hands-off government oversight of the oil industry and overly-cozy > relationships between industry and government. > It's abundantly clear to me that "deregulation" doesn't work. Not only that, it never worked. Yet whenever someone seriously proposes more regulation (over any industry) six someone else's jump up and yell "big government". Maybe not even regulation works. How do you regulate a coal industry that can seemingly ignore regulatory laws with impunity? How do you regulate any industry unless a vast majority of the public is paying attention? How stupid do you have to be to complain about gasoline that costs $3 a gallon while paying $4 a gallon for bottled water at the same place:? Where in the Constitution of the United States of America does it give the same rights to corporations as it does to individuals? How did we get into this mess, anyway? Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I would propose a Theorem: There is no limit to the greed and stupidity of human beings. Proof: Just look at the bodies of the dead porpoises washing ashore along the coast of Louisianna. Just look at the anguished faces of the fisherman and boat people who will be wiped out by this fiasco. Just look at the faces of the BP executives who have more money than they could ever spend. Just watch the coal companies in West Virginia shear off entire mountain tops and dump the spoils into the nearest streams and valleys. Where the hell is our esteemed government? Where does the blame lie? We have met the enemy, and he is us. Every morning I ride my bike to work, and home again in the evening. I have to compete for space on the roadways with a constant stream of commuters in SUV's and 4-wheel drive rigs, even though it's 70 F outside. Most people don't seem to know, or don't care, that they are happily burning up the planet's supply of oil, and pumping exhaust fumes into the air. There may even be people who don't care about the Gulf oil spill, because they don't live near the Gulf, and it's not their problem. What is the solution to our current situation? We have two choices. Either we can take corrective action and conduct massive education, or we can blithely procede forward and wait for Mother Nature to drop the hammer, hard. One thing seems certain. It doesn't pay to mess with Mother Nature. Brad Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] BP & oil rig > On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Mark White <kayakmark_at_gmail.com> wrote: > >> It's not just BP skimping on safety. We've had (too many?) years of >> hands-off government oversight of the oil industry and overly-cozy >> relationships between industry and government. >> > > It's abundantly clear to me that "deregulation" doesn't work. Not only > that, > it never worked. Yet whenever someone seriously proposes more regulation > (over any industry) six someone else's jump up and yell "big government". > > Maybe not even regulation works. How do you regulate a coal industry that > can seemingly ignore regulatory laws with impunity? How do you regulate > any > industry unless a vast majority of the public is paying attention? > > How stupid do you have to be to complain about gasoline that costs $3 a > gallon while paying $4 a gallon for bottled water at the same place:? > > Where in the Constitution of the United States of America does it give the > same rights to corporations as it does to individuals? > > How did we get into this mess, anyway? > > > Craig Jungers > Moses Lake, WA > www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Bradford R. Crain wrote: > I would propose a Theorem: There is no limit to the greed and > stupidity > of human beings. Proof: Just look at the bodies of the dead porpoises > washing > ashore along the coast of Louisianna. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100512/ap_on_re_us/us_oil_spill_dolphins HORN ISLAND, Miss. - Federal wildlife officials are treating the deaths of six dolphins on the Gulf Coast as oil-related even though other factors may be to blame. Blair Mase (MACE') of the National Marine Fisheries Service said Tuesday that the carcasses have all been found in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama since May 2. Samples have been sent for testing to see whether a massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico helped kill the dolphins. Mase and animal rescue coordinator Michele Kelley in Louisiana said none of the carcasses has obvious signs of oil. Mase also said it's common for dead dolphins to wash up this time of year when they are in shallow waters to calve. The Associated Press found dolphins swimming and playing in oily waters off Louisiana last week. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Correct. I have a friend (kayaker) who worked for the University of Texas and would find dead dolphins which she would tie up alongside her kayak and bring in for testing at the University of Texas for research. This was many years ago (she may still be doing this today). Believe it or not, they (dolphins) don't live forever. Jackie Bradford R. Crain wrote: > > This is interesting. I grew up on the east coast of Florida, where > porpoises were common, and never saw a porpoise corpse wash up. > I suppose this doesn't actually prove anything. > > BRC > .... > >> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100512/ap_on_re_us/us_oil_spill_dolphins >> >> HORN ISLAND, Miss. - Federal wildlife officials are treating the >> deaths of six dolphins on the Gulf Coast as oil-related even though >> other factors may be to blame. >> Blair Mase (MACE') of the National Marine Fisheries Service said >> Tuesday that the carcasses have all been found in Louisiana, >> Mississippi and Alabama since May 2. Samples have been sent for >> testing to see whether a massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico >> helped kill the dolphins. >> Mase and animal rescue coordinator Michele Kelley in Louisiana said >> none of the carcasses has obvious signs of oil. Mase also said it's >> common for dead dolphins to wash up this time of year when they are >> in shallow waters to calve. >> The Associated Press found dolphins swimming and playing in oily >> waters off Louisiana last week. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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