Matt, I'm hoping the tri-axial accelerometer data will sample fast enough to provide both acceleration and the integral velocity at rates fast enough to be sampled throughout the paddle stroke. The specification sheet suggests about 3000 samples per second compared to the combined GPS accelerometer with 1 sample per second for the GPS and ten samples per second for its inbuilt accelerometer. If the triaxial unit performs as per the spec then we could time link it to the paddle by fitting a blue tooth link to the paddle data stream removing the need to fasten the GPS to the paddle. The combine GPS accelerometer then becomes a measurement device to offset drift in the accelerometer integral velocity and it may not even be necessary to have this additional device. Alternatively we could take the tri-axial data from the paddle and interpret it, if its coming fast enough. I haven't heard back from the Talon people about a definite meeting time though they did say they were happy to meet. I'll try putting the questions in an email to them. We'll know just how well this could work with the Talon paddle once the triaxial unit we've ordered arrives and of course will send you the results as soon as we get them. All the best, PeterO <br><br><br>------- Original Message ------- On 7/30/2010 12:57 PM MATT MARINER BROZE wrote:<br>Thanks, <br> <br>The Bluetooth GPS device might be able to be used (attached to the Talon <br>paddle) to match in time (stroke for stroke) the angular data from the Talon <br>paddle's built in sensors and then we could know the kayak's speed via this <br>Bluetooth GPS devices GPS at the same time the Talon paddle was providing drag <br>measurements in the direction the kayak was moving with its built in strain <br>guages. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 2:15 AM, <rebyl_kayak_at_energysustained.com> wrote: > > Alternatively we could take the tri-axial data from the paddle and > interpret it, if its coming fast enough. I haven't heard back from the Talon > people about a definite meeting time though they did say they were happy to > meet. I'll try putting the questions in an email to them. > > Wouldn't this only measure the acceleration of the paddle and not the kayak? Don't you want both to determine the efficiency of the paddle and the strokes? I actually do think that a paddlewheel-type velocity sensor would give you the best instantaneous data (if sampled quickly enough) which can then be compared to the GPS data. I've heard that some rowing coaches who will not use a GPS for training purposes because they cannot get that granular a data from any other method for the price. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 2:15 AM, <rebyl_kayak_at_energysustained.com> wrote: Alternatively we could take the tri-axial data from the paddle and interpret it, if its coming fast enough. I haven't heard back from the Talon people about a definite meeting time though they did say they were happy to meet. I'll try putting the questions in an email to them. Craig Jungers wrote >>>>>>>Wouldn't this only measure the acceleration of the paddle and not the kayak? Don't you want both to determine the efficiency of the paddle and the strokes? I actually do think that a paddlewheel-type velocity sensor would give you the best instantaneous data (if sampled quickly enough) which can then be compared to the GPS data.<<<<< Since over time (after a few strokes) the paddle is moving at the same speed as the kayak the accellerometers in the paddle should be able to allow its average speed to be calculated. I don't know how well a paddle wheel can measure the surges and speed loss from the strokes but you will still be averaaging data over some time period to get the average speed for a given effort. Since we also know what the paddle angles are at all times the average speed could be determined from points when the paddle is at the same angle (point in the stroke) over several strokes. It would be nice if the Talon paddle data could just be calculated in a way to provide an average speed. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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