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From: Jens Viggo Moesmand <jensviggo_at_moesmand.dk>
subject: [Paddlewise] SV: SV: Danish paddlers, preliminary backgrund information.
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:27:22 +0100
Hello Steve,



This is the canoe.



It's reported to be 4,5 meters long and is intended / approved for 12
persons. The approval procedure is so that I would expect the canoe as
such to be approved but with a lot of conditions regarding seasons for
use, conditions for use, safety equipment like class of pfd, tools for
communication (VHF, cell phone), flares and more. None what so ever of
these conditions have been met and I can quote a school official from
the day after the accident: "You shall not wrap young persons in cotton"
!!! Now only the lawyers speak, and they are silent.



http://www.bt.dk/krimi/sagsoeg-efterskolen



regards



Jens Viggo



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Sendt: 18. februar 2011 12:44
Til: Jens Viggo Moesmand
Emne: Re: [Paddlewise] SV: Danish paddlers, preliminary backgrund
information.



jens,



thanks for the update ..... please keep them coming

are there any photos of the  canoe ? what type ? how large ?

thanks.... oh, i'm in florida (usa) and there are some "dragon canoe's"
here also

steve
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From: Richard Culpeper <culpeper_at_tbaytel.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Danish school dragon boat tragedy
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:03:41 -0500
A small dragon boat such as the one the school used (or any dragon boat, for
that matter) is not the sort of thing to be in if either wind or waves are
up.  The very low gunwhales let it take water on easily.  The length makes
it very difficult and slow to turn.  The hull shape (a shallow W) combined
with the number of paddlers make it impossible to lean the boat in a timely
and controlled manner to adjust for waves.  The very short paddle length
prevents effective bracing.  The platform on which the steerperson stands
ices over very easily, leading to interruptions in steering and boat balance
when the steers falls.  The steering oar catches crabs extemely easily when
reversing.  The drummer and steers significantly raise the centre of gravity
of the boat.  The significant length and number of paddlers makes the boat
easily get caught and turned broadside by the wind.  The number of paddlers
makes coordinated reaction to wave sets extremely difficult for very skilled
crews, and impossible for most crews.  In short, a dragon boat is totally
unsuited -- literally unseaworthy -- to paddling in rough conditions.

I have found that when a sudden squall hits, the best approach is to steer
into the wind, assign a few paddlers in the stern to bailing, assign a few
paddlers in the bow to assist with steering, use the paddlers midships to
maintain position, wait until things calm down a bit, and then ever so
gently ferry and surf as needed to drift to a safe bay.  It takes a very
skilled crew to do this. Turning when the wind is up?  No way.  Paddling a
dragon boat when it might get rough in cold conditions?  Nuts to that --
there are far less strenuous ways to suicide if one is so inclined.

Attempting to round a buoy in windy conditions, at near freezing wind and
water temperatures, with a recreational crew of teenagers, without adequate
cold water attire, without a motorized chase boat, without communications,
without a rescue plan and onshore rescue coordinator, without, without,
without . . . without a hope in hell.  How terribly sad.  My heart goes out
to the crew and their families.

Richard Culpeper
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From: Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Danish school dragon boat tragedy
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:15:19 -0800
I think Richard has summed it up beautifully...a debacle in the making.
So very sad for the victims, and unnecessary.

Bradford R. Crain

Subject: [Paddlewise] Danish school dragon boat tragedy


>A small dragon boat such as the one the school used (or any dragon boat, 
>for
> that matter) is not the sort of thing to be in if either wind or waves are
> up.  The very low gunwhales let it take water on easily.  The length makes
> it very difficult and slow to turn.  The hull shape (a shallow W) combined
> with the number of paddlers make it impossible to lean the boat in a 
> timely
> and controlled manner to adjust for waves.  The very short paddle length
> prevents effective bracing.  The platform on which the steerperson stands
> ices over very easily, leading to interruptions in steering and boat 
> balance
> when the steers falls.  The steering oar catches crabs extemely easily 
> when
> reversing.  The drummer and steers significantly raise the centre of 
> gravity
> of the boat.  The significant length and number of paddlers makes the boat
> easily get caught and turned broadside by the wind.  The number of 
> paddlers
> makes coordinated reaction to wave sets extremely difficult for very 
> skilled
> crews, and impossible for most crews.  In short, a dragon boat is totally
> unsuited -- literally unseaworthy -- to paddling in rough conditions.
>
> I have found that when a sudden squall hits, the best approach is to steer
> into the wind, assign a few paddlers in the stern to bailing, assign a few
> paddlers in the bow to assist with steering, use the paddlers midships to
> maintain position, wait until things calm down a bit, and then ever so
> gently ferry and surf as needed to drift to a safe bay.  It takes a very
> skilled crew to do this. Turning when the wind is up?  No way.  Paddling a
> dragon boat when it might get rough in cold conditions?  Nuts to that --
> there are far less strenuous ways to suicide if one is so inclined.
>
> Attempting to round a buoy in windy conditions, at near freezing wind and
> water temperatures, with a recreational crew of teenagers, without 
> adequate
> cold water attire, without a motorized chase boat, without communications,
> without a rescue plan and onshore rescue coordinator, without, without,
> without . . . without a hope in hell.  How terribly sad.  My heart goes 
> out
> to the crew and their families.
>
> Richard Culpeper
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Danish school dragon boat tragedy
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 21:01:09 -0800
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu> wrote:

> I think Richard has summed it up beautifully...a debacle in the making.
> So very sad for the victims, and unnecessary.
>
> I'm a little unclear on the aftermath. Did only the male teacher perish and
all the paddlers survive or were there more fatalities?


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
www.nwkayaking.net
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