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From: Tord <tord_at_mindless.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] A kayak for Lloyd?!
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 16:59:18 -0500
 This piece is interesting, in many ways;

http://watertribe.com/Magazine/Y2006/M09/DawnStewartKrugerized.aspx
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] A kayak for Lloyd?!
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 15:02:26 -0800
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Tord <tord_at_mindless.com> wrote:

>  This piece is interesting, in many ways;
>
> http://watertribe.com/Magazine/Y2006/M09/DawnStewartKrugerized.aspx
>
> Very enjoyable (although somewhat long) narrative. That attitude of what
constitutes a "real" sea kayak and it's pretty easy to fall into that.
Kayakers are by no means the only ones to succumb to the idea that only
their idea of something is the "real" idea. I've discovered that bicyclists
are anything but immune. It's easy to forget that the experience is more
than the equipment.

Thanks for the link, Tord. Hope all is well with you guys.


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
www.nwkayaking.net
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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] A kayak for Lloyd?!
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 23:14:21 -0800
I like the part about dragging the kayak up the beach, worked for me with a
heavy kayak. The Kruger layup tends to be multiple layers of Kevlar which
never yields a really rigid layup, though it will take multiple see-sawing
over logs and boulders. For repeated abrasion over sharper objects it all
comes down to net thickness and how concentrated the abrasion is for a given
surface area of contact. I find a stiffer layup less likely to get hung up
dragging over barnacles, etc., especially if I can restrict the abrasion to
one stern area that has been augmented. The "floppier" layup tends to catch
all the sharpies impeding the way. Of course, being able to lift the kayak
probably works better for most paddlers.

The Kruger canoes and kayaks are certainly seaworthy enough, as are Kleppers
and other deep-water alternatives. And some of the best local sea kayakers I
know still love their big touring kayaks sans rudder for the long haul,
though publically they harp on mostly about their play boats. 

I'd love to have a Dreamcatcher; I'd not reject a free one. They look like
an awesome sailor but you wouldn't catch me cart wheeling one in big surf
for fun. You might catch me rigging my Dreamcatcher together with the one
Craig is going to buy, lofting a big sail, bringing a bunch of beer and some
good looking women; add some sunshine, and don't tell our wives. Now, that
would be a good booze cruise, show-up those darn guys in their expensive
party-going catamarans, you bettcha!!! 

http://www.marinersnegril.com/fun_and_ent.htm

Na, I'll stick to a real kayak for now.


Lloyd Douglas


On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Tord <tord_at_mindless.com> wrote:

>  This piece is interesting, in many ways;
>
> http://watertribe.com/Magazine/Y2006/M09/DawnStewartKrugerized.aspx
>
> Very enjoyable (although somewhat long) narrative. That attitude of what
constitutes a "real" sea kayak and it's pretty easy to fall into that.
Kayakers are by no means the only ones to succumb to the idea that only
their idea of something is the "real" idea. I've discovered that bicyclists
are anything but immune. It's easy to forget that the experience is more
than the equipment.

Thanks for the link, Tord. Hope all is well with you guys.


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
www.nwkayaking.net
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] A kayak for Lloyd?!
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 05:37:06 -0800
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote:

> You might catch me rigging my Dreamcatcher together with the one
> Craig is going to buy, lofting a big sail, bringing a bunch of beer and
> some
> good looking women; add some sunshine, and don't tell our wives. Now, that
> would be a good booze cruise, show-up those darn guys in their expensive
> party-going catamarans, you bettcha!!!
>

Wouldn't that be fun though? Rafted together Kicking back in the sun with
the sails up, rockin' south under a cloudless sky. Watching the girls play
with their Barbies... cuz now you spilled the beans and Pam will tell BOTH
of our wives and the only females we'll be able to bring along will be our
grandchildren. :D

Hey... that works!  :)


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
www.nwkayaking.net
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