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From: Keith Kaste <kkaste_at_slip.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] my boat(s)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:17:17 -0800
This is potentially a great thread. I am keeping a copy of everyone's
post who responds to the "what do you paddle" request.  I will compile a
summary of all these responses and publish it back to the list for
everyone.  So far, though, there have only been 16 responses.  There
must be more than 16 subscribers out there with boats.  Come on you
Guillemot and Laughing Loon owners, come on you rotomold owners,  and
Coaster owners.  Let's hear it.  Even if you rent only, post an email
describing which boat(s) you like the most.


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From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_gsp.org>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] my boat(s)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:37:13 -0500
You asked for it:

Dagger Predator K-1 composite slalom racing boat: I spent 90% of my time
	in this.  Very high performance; incredibly fast in a straight line
	and carves turns at high speed.

Dagger Crossfire K-1: I use this for some river running and for playing
	around at surf spots and whatnot.  

Dagger Cascade C-1: I bought this last fall in order to try to learn
	how to paddle C-1 a little better.  Sold my glass Wide Ride C-1
	to a friend and bought this plastic boat instead because my
	skills (or lack thereof) make it a better choice.

Nomad Extra K-1 slalom boat: It's about to get turned into a slalom C-1,
	more or less.  This is a 10+ year old slalom boat that's seen
	better days, but ought to be enough to get me through at
	least one season as a fledgling C-1 padddler.

Nittany Valley Gemini C-2: Another 10+ year old boat built by John Sweet
	(yes, *that* John Sweet) that's been a lot of fun to race, but
	which will probably get supplanted by a much newer design
	this year; maybe a Savage Grok or a Whup-a-Tar.

and

Hydra Mustang K-1: I'm trying to sell this; it's an old whitewater
	boat suitable for large beginners.  It was my first boat and
	I'll miss it, but somebody else will get good use out of it.

---Rsk
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From: Ari Saarto <asaarto_at_lpt.fi>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] my boat(s)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:03:37 +0200 (EET)
HI Keith, 

First: I have a Finnish-built Sea-Lady tandem (or do you say
double?), which is 6 meters long and abot 56 centimeters wide.  Very low
middle profile, to avoid scratching your hands or the paddles (if the
kayak is too wide for you or if the deck is too high). Beautiful
as one can get - a real lady.  Worth of trustworthy even in harder winds:
last summer we paddled at a little bit more  than three-metre waves (not
breaking waves, fortunately). 

Yes.  Secondly: a Nordkapp, which is new.  Never tested it during a long
trip (Canadian Ballast Rocks...), but it is little bit unstable.  Not very
much packing volume.

The reasons for my choices:  I am quite smallish (175 centimetres and some
68 kilos - that depends :-))  It is easier to handle a more "lively" kayak
than a large titanic.. My motto is: good kayakers are also good in samba!

I might undersign that statement with a note that it is your ability to
move and especially move in rescue situations than trust to equipment
blindly. 

Yours Ari "1000 islands and I am familiar to only 5% of them"

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From: <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] my boat(s)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:22:34 -0800
I have three boats, and for the longest time, all three were in my
closet, but now I leave one or two assembled in various places around
New York City.  None are difficult to assemble or knock down; it
actually takes more time to go to a storage place, get the boat out, tie
it on my car roof etc. than it takes to make any of them.  But it is an
awful lot to carry one up three flights of stairs at the end of the day
to my apartment.  Besides, how will people in other cars on the highway
know I am a tough seakayaker unless I have one strapped on the roof of
my car. :-).  Here are my boats:

A Klepper Aerius II double, Classic skin.  (35 inch beam, 17 feet long,
75 lb weight) This one I have had for 10 years and will never give up
(and probably won't have to since I am certain it will outlast me!).  It
has seen me through paddling situations in which by all rights I should
have not been able to stay upright.  Such as a real dumb launch through
mounting surf in which I went totally broadside to the breaking waves
and should have windowshaded, but somehow the boat on its own saw me
through.  It is nice to have beneath you a kayak you know has crossed
the Atlantic and is used by military forces the world over; hell, if it
can do all that it certainly is up to anything I am up to.  An extremely
tough boat with a stellar record of seaworthiness.  And the quickest
boat to assemble of any folding one.  I have done it in 7 minutes with
my wife (even before getting heavily involved with folding kayaks) and
it has been done in 4 minutes by a factory team.  I will probably be
buried Viking style in that classic boat.

A Feathercraft K_light.  It is my take everywhere boat.  Light as a
feather (or well lots of feathers) at 33 pounds (13 feet long, 25-26
inch beam).  And so easy to cart around in it backpack harnessed
carrying bag.  Easy to assemble, ease to paddle.  It is a fun boat.  I
think everyone should have one in their closet, whether one paddles
folding or rigid kayaks.  The K-Light is the best selling folding kayak
currently and with good reason.

A Nautiraid Raid 1 (51 pounds, 15.5 ft long, 28-29 inch beam).  I
recently sold a Klepper Aerius I Expedition in order to buy this boat. 
I liked my Aerius single and it saw me through a lot, but its weight (62
pounds or more) was getting to me.  I still am learning about my new
Nautiraid.  I feel it takes time to catch on to the nuances of any
boat.  I like everything I have discovered thusfar of the Raid 1. I like
its small cockpit and taut skin and its relative speed.  Like the Aerius
I, the Nautiraid doesn't track well.  Over time I learned to make the
Aerius I go as straight as an arrow no matter what winds and seas were
doing on my beam. The Raid 1 has its own way of reacting to side forces
and I think I am just about now in command of it as I was of the Klepper
single (I don't use rudders on single boats).  

As you may have guessed I have a Three Bears approach to kayak
ownership, I need a Pappa, a Momma and a Baby Bear in my fleet.

ralph
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From: <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] my boat(s)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:22:34 -0800
I have three boats, and for the longest time, all three were in my
closet, but now I leave one or two assembled in various places around
New York City.  None are difficult to assemble or knock down; it
actually takes more time to go to a storage place, get the boat out, tie
it on my car roof etc. than it takes to make any of them.  But it is an
awful lot to carry one up three flights of stairs at the end of the day
to my apartment.  Besides, how will people in other cars on the highway
know I am a tough seakayaker unless I have one strapped on the roof of
my car. :-).  Here are my boats:

A Klepper Aerius II double, Classic skin.  (35 inch beam, 17 feet long,
75 lb weight) This one I have had for 10 years and will never give up
(and probably won't have to since I am certain it will outlast me!).  It
has seen me through paddling situations in which by all rights I should
have not been able to stay upright.  Such as a real dumb launch through
mounting surf in which I went totally broadside to the breaking waves
and should have windowshaded, but somehow the boat on its own saw me
through.  It is nice to have beneath you a kayak you know has crossed
the Atlantic and is used by military forces the world over; hell, if it
can do all that it certainly is up to anything I am up to.  An extremely
tough boat with a stellar record of seaworthiness.  And the quickest
boat to assemble of any folding one.  I have done it in 7 minutes with
my wife (even before getting heavily involved with folding kayaks) and
it has been done in 4 minutes by a factory team.  I will probably be
buried Viking style in that classic boat.

A Feathercraft K_light.  It is my take everywhere boat.  Light as a
feather (or well lots of feathers) at 33 pounds (13 feet long, 25-26
inch beam).  And so easy to cart around in it backpack harnessed
carrying bag.  Easy to assemble, ease to paddle.  It is a fun boat.  I
think everyone should have one in their closet, whether one paddles
folding or rigid kayaks.  The K-Light is the best selling folding kayak
currently and with good reason.

A Nautiraid Raid 1 (51 pounds, 15.5 ft long, 28-29 inch beam).  I
recently sold a Klepper Aerius I Expedition in order to buy this boat. 
I liked my Aerius single and it saw me through a lot, but its weight (62
pounds or more) was getting to me.  I still am learning about my new
Nautiraid.  I feel it takes time to catch on to the nuances of any
boat.  I like everything I have discovered thusfar of the Raid 1. I like
its small cockpit and taut skin and its relative speed.  Like the Aerius
I, the Nautiraid doesn't track well.  Over time I learned to make the
Aerius I go as straight as an arrow no matter what winds and seas were
doing on my beam. The Raid 1 has its own way of reacting to side forces
and I think I am just about now in command of it as I was of the Klepper
single (I don't use rudders on single boats).  

As you may have guessed I have a Three Bears approach to kayak
ownership, I need a Pappa, a Momma and a Baby Bear in my fleet.

ralph
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From: TomTotem... <gadfly_at_isomedia.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] my boat(s)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:13:05 -0500
	Hi Keith,

At 11:17 PM 2/17/98 -0800, Keith Kaste wrote:
>This is potentially a great thread. I am keeping a copy of everyone's
>post who responds to the "what do you paddle" request.  I will compile a
>summary of all these responses and publish it back to the list for
>everyone.  So far, though, there have only been 16 responses.  There
>must be more than 16 subscribers out there with boats.  Come on you
>Guillemot and Laughing Loon owners, come on you rotomold owners,  and
>Coaster owners.  Let's hear it.  Even if you rent only, post an email
>describing which boat(s) you like the most.
	
[mostly snipped from an earlier post I made concerning ballasting]


FWIW, I *do* have different boats 

* Aquaterra Caspia-short/wide/lightweight, good to fish from when on SMALL
rivers/streams, 

*Old Towne Loon-longer/wide/bit heavier, bigger cockpit allows the dog to
come too!

*Pirouette S <sp?> bought for rolling practice, surfing [I have yet to do
that] and practicing carving turns...  short, extremely sensitive [compared
to my other boats] lightweight, it gave me an indication of what knee
braces were for.  A week later I ordered some for my Pursuit.

*Old Towne Katahdin [canoe] F/G, 12ft with WIDE beam [42"???] flat bottom,
55lbs, can stand and fish on inland lakes in 20+knot wind with NO problem,
usually equip it with either rowing bracket, or 36lb electric motor and
home made motor bracket.  Dog likes this one best I think... <G>

*Northwest Kayaks Pursuit-the one I'm fondest of all, F/G, about 17ft long,
23in. beam, weighs about the same as the canoe +/- a bit...  initial
stability isn't what the Kyook is, and that is one of the reasons I
purchased it.  It will carve turns well when paddled with appropriate skill
[that, is something I continue to work on...]  I ordered a knee brace
[evidently not a common request] and installed it which makes the cockpit a
bit tighter to get in and out of but no more so that the w/w boat, suits me
much better!

*Necky Kyook Plus-bought in a snow storm when Iived in Michigan.  Plastic,
heavier than Pursuit, 25in beam I think,  S.O. seems to like it...  This is
the one I used when I took the class with N. Foster soon after arriving out
here in the Pacific N.W.  

Tom

Kirkland, WA.

	Tom Weese

Kirkland, Wa.

Three left turns often make a right...

<http://www.isomedia.com/homes/gadfly/>

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From: wildwater <wildoats_at_ionet.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] my boat(s)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:20:15 -0600
I have a couple of plastic Sea Lions, one of which, I have moved the seat and
foot pegs and outfitted to suit me, the other I leave fairly standard for other
folks.  For whitewater I have a Dancer Pro, and I have an Old Town Discovery
174 for heavy wilderness tripping.  My favorite boat to paddle was the long
narrow Necky everyone was saying was too tippy but it seemed great to me and
fast.  But I didn't want to tear up such a nice boat and stuck with the
plastic.  I also like the composite Sea Lion S.   It handles far far better
than my plastic conventional Sea Lions, and seems faster though shorter (also a
bit narrower).  I don't believe you can have too many boats though and am
shopping for a FG/Kevlar SK and a folder for trips.  And then I'll want a new
canoe and so it goes.  But somehow, because of the trips together and perhaps a
bit of sentimentality, I'll never let go of my rugged ole Sea Lion, or the Old
Town.  We have some stories.  Like when my boys were younger and I gave each
one a paddle and turned them loose in the Old town.  I never saw a boat go in
circles like that, a 17 1/2 foot canoe doing broadies, spinning like a top.
Truly amazing.

Alice



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From: MR. SOVEREIGN <soverein_at_nanaimo.ark.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] my boat(s)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:24:25 -0800
1st boat was a Coleman Freighter canoe.  Ugly, slow, heavy but it was from my
previous life on the Canadian prairies.

Someone told me about Keowee Kayaks. Tried one and loved it. Really comfy but
death on water if further than 50' from shore.  Its now outfitted with a Scotty
rod holder and used for lake fishing.

Discovered serious kayaking 3 years ago and now paddle a Current Designs
Solstice GT.  Best comfort of all boats I have tried.

Keith Kaste wrote:

> This is potentially a great thread. I am keeping a copy of everyone's
> post who responds to the "what do you paddle" request.  I will compile a
> summary of all these responses and publish it back to the list for
> everyone.  So far, though, there have only been 16 responses.  There
> must be more than 16 subscribers out there with boats.  Come on you
> Guillemot and Laughing Loon owners, come on you rotomold owners,  and
> Coaster owners.  Let's hear it.  Even if you rent only, post an email
> describing which boat(s) you like the most.
>
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