Well, you guys seemed determined to get everyone to respond, so... I found the P&H Capella to be the best plastic boat for me. I liked the price of plastic and figured that as my skills grew, I would want to buy a different boat anyway. Recently, I have been trying out some glass boats, and can't seem to find anything that is big enough for me to fit and allow for a layback roll (I'm 6'4" 235lbs). You Valley/Romany/Falcon16 paddlers should be thankful - I can only get one leg into those boats! Yes, I squeeezed into a Falcon 16 once and actually got stuck in there!! It was quite a struggle (even on land) for me to get back out. There are very few choices for those of us who need a larger boat, but don't want to paddle a barge. I guess I'll just have to remain on Dana's waiting list until he can build me a custom model. My wife has found a North Shore Fuego fits her great. She used to suffer from the too big of boat syndrome (an Aquaterra Sea Lion). After repeatedly falling out during rolling practice (even with massive pads), she had an excuse to get a nice glass boat. (I do get to carry it and wash it, however.) BTW, you would not believe the reactions our boats get out here in central California, where we recently moved from Florida. It seems as if they have never seen a British boat out here. Everyone asks what kind of boats they are. An experienced instructor recently looked at my boat and asked, "Is that made in Florida? I've never heard of P&H." (But, I'll cut her some slack - I think she can surf circles around me.) If only I could fit into an Anas Acuta - now that would really draw a crowd! Frank *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
At 08:50 PM 2/15/98 -0800, Dave Kruger wrote: >Others of my size here in the Pacific Northwest like the Current Designs >Solstice line, in the GT "High volume" configuration, notably my buddy >Noel from Bellingham. > >-- >Dave Kruger >Astoria, OR I opted for the Solstice GTS because I got a good price on it. But more than price, it's a fast boat which is useful for when I paddle with the "Young Turks" around Astoria who are half my age and twice as mean. My plastic Aquaterra Sea Lion was a good boat for expeditions and beating around, but I was unable to keep up with most other paddlers in it. Nonetheless, it's the number one boat of choice for a lot of the paddlers in OOPS (Oregon Ocean Paddlers Society). The GTS is medium volume at 96 US gallons (22" X 17'7" --43 lbs. fiberglass) and has a fish form, shallow V hull with soft chines. There's been comments on this server that it's not "nimble" and it *is* a tracker that stays on course. I find, however, that the slightest tip to the side neatly turns the boat around obstacles in the water or corrects course. I've been told it's "tender," but it doesn't feel tippy or unstable to me. What I really like about the Solstice GTS is that it rides waves very easily. It's secure feeling in heavy seas no matter how they're coming at me. The bow cuts into heavy waves and then rises over them. It's a wet deck kind of ride. The GTS catches the smallest of following waves and glides with them easily, with little tendency to broach. I've never had the rudder down, and I don't think the other paddler's using it out of Pacific Wave have used the rudder either. It's a tracker. At 96 gallons, it may lack the cargo capacity of my Sea Lion, but I tend to pack light on the long expeditions. . . something Thoreau and the Transcendentalists taught me early in my undergraduate studies. My other boat is an Old Town Otter, a "Pokey" that I use for fly fishing and horsing around (28" X 9'6" --40 lbs. plastic). It's got a big open cockpit with plenty of room for fishing gear and a six-pack. And you can curl up and snooze in it without drowning! >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >*************************************************************************** > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
I started paddleing a Solstice GTS last summer and love it. It handles well whether loaded or not. We do a lot of overnight trips and carry a lot of gear. Funny, I started out with the Aquaterra Sea Lion too. The Solstice has the prettiest "lines" of any boat I have seen. Debra Southern Maine Sea Kayaking Network On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:03:18 -0800 (PST) "Geo. Bergeron" <heritage_at_europa.com> writes: >At 08:50 PM 2/15/98 -0800, Dave Kruger wrote: > >>Others of my size here in the Pacific Northwest like the Current >Designs >>Solstice line, in the GT "High volume" configuration, notably my >buddy >>Noel from Bellingham. >> >>-- >>Dave Kruger >>Astoria, OR > > I opted for the Solstice GTS because I got a good price on it. >But >more than price, it's a fast boat which is useful for when I paddle >with the >"Young Turks" around Astoria who are half my age and twice as mean. > > My plastic Aquaterra Sea Lion was a good boat for expeditions >and >beating around, but I was unable to keep up with most other paddlers >in it. >Nonetheless, it's the number one boat of choice for a lot of the >paddlers in >OOPS (Oregon Ocean Paddlers Society). > > The GTS is medium volume at 96 US gallons (22" X 17'7" --43 >lbs. >fiberglass) and has a fish form, shallow V hull with soft chines. >There's >been comments on this server that it's not "nimble" and it *is* a >tracker >that stays on course. I find, however, that the slightest tip to the >side >neatly turns the boat around obstacles in the water or corrects >course. I've >been told it's "tender," but it doesn't feel tippy or unstable to me. > > What I really like about the Solstice GTS is that it rides >waves >very easily. It's secure feeling in heavy seas no matter how they're >coming >at me. The bow cuts into heavy waves and then rises over them. It's a >wet >deck kind of ride. The GTS catches the smallest of following waves and >glides with them easily, with little tendency to broach. I've never >had the >rudder down, and I don't think the other paddler's using it out of >Pacific >Wave have used the rudder either. It's a tracker. > > At 96 gallons, it may lack the cargo capacity of my Sea Lion, >but I >tend to pack light on the long expeditions. . . something Thoreau and >the >Transcendentalists taught me early in my undergraduate studies. > > My other boat is an Old Town Otter, a "Pokey" that I use for >fly >fishing and horsing around (28" X 9'6" --40 lbs. plastic). It's got a >big >open cockpit with plenty of room for fishing gear and a six-pack. And >you >can curl up and snooze in it without drowning! > >>*************************************************************************** >>PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >>Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >>Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >>*************************************************************************** >> >> > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >*************************************************************************** > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 98-02-15 22:20:06 EST, you write: << I was wandering what kinda kayaks yall paddle and why. >> My wife and I have 10 kayaks which are: A. Coaster (1) Bought used. Now very used, renamed "Battle Boat". Great boat! Easy maneuvering and good tracking for a 13'-6" boat. We keep this one for beginners to use. The Coaster is legendary. Nuff said. B. Valley Anas Acuta (2) We love 'em. British boat with Greenland style. Hard chines. Great rough water boat and feels stable for a 20" wide kayak. Good rolling boat. Beautiful lines. Love the low flat back for lay back rolls. Not a bad surfing boat either. C. Greenland skin boats (2) I made these and they are great performing kayaks. Usually put them on display and we don't paddle these when we need to take a lot of stuff. There are no hatches since they are traditional kayaks and the wood framing takes up a lot of room inside. They sit very low in the water so it's a wet ride. We took these out the notorious Barnegat Inlet and were impressed with how well they took the large chop in the "race". D. Wilderness systems Piccolo (1) This is a kid's kayak but a lot of people get these for rolling as we did. Many of the trick rolls are easier to do in these. We also use it for beginners when we are teaching. E. NDK Romany (2) We tried these and were so impressed with the rolling abilities that we ordered two. Almost as easy as the Piccolo. Here in the NJ, NY, Conn. area they seem to be one of the hottest items. I know a lot of people who have just bought them and love 'em. Don't like the retractable skeg system which is similar to the Anas Acuta. They use the bunji's. Much prefer the system I've seen for the North Shore with the lever on the side. This doesn't allow the skeg to drop down more than a few inches but that's all you really need. F. Prijon Fly. (2) We just got these whitewater rodeo boats to play in the ocean surf. They are much more maneuverable in the surf than using the sea kayaks. Which are our favorites? Probably the Romanys. Beautiful, well thought out, great roller, handles rough water really well. Ray and Margaret Killen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 98-02-15 22:20:06 EST, dldecker_at_mediaone.net writes: << I was wandering what kinda kayaks yall paddle and why. >> Favorite boat, eh?? I am a kayak dealer, guide and instructor. I have been paddling over 20 years both whitewater and touring. I can choose from our rental/demo *fleet* of up to 40 sea kayaks and I try and paddle *every* boat I can for database (friends boats, symposiums,etc.) I own 3 personal sea craft and they are.............#1....The New Eddyline FALCON 18. The nicest boat I have ever paddled. It's sea kindliness is awesome..........#2.....Kevlar Arctic Hawk (Wilderness Systems) This 32 lb. hatchless model is a replica of a 1900's West Greenland boat built for a 200+ lb. person. Awesome in everything but *heavy* seas..........#3.......Skin/ Frame 1800's West Greenland replica built at a Superior Kayak workshop. Mark Rodgers helped design this vessel to be anatomically correct for ME. It's 19 feet long and 20 inch beam. One of the most traditionally shaped boats he has built. She's tender to say the least, but a FAST BLAST!.......#4........ Eddyline Classic Sea Star. Older low deck model, no rudder, lots of gear, real fast, real stable. An old friend. Now for surf I have an *old*<read beater> kevlar squirt boat called the DEMON. It's from the early squirt days (early '80's) when the transition from *race* boat (slalom) to *squirt* boat hadn't quite been complete. It has hard chines and a beaver tail. A joy in BIG stuff. Some of the new *playboats* are great for surf but I'm stuck on this old beater! There you go. Steve Scherrer Alder Creek Kayak and Canoe www.aldercreek.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 dldecker_at_mediaone.net wrote: >>What is your favorite kayak and Why? >> >>Dana 1** we-no-nah rendezvous, custom glass/kevlar solo downriver touring canoe. my favorite of all favorites. large enoug to carry what ever you want, and at 15'6" longer and faster than my sea kayaks. but it is also 15" deep, so it catches the wind. hence on most lakes, my preference is the SK's. 1. prijon yukon expedition. fun in class II, a slug on a lake ;-) 2. aquaterra spectrum. work in class II, much better on a lake. both these have faily large cockpits, so i like them, at 6' [1.8m], and 200#+/- [losing more and more ;-) [86-90kg] i like a large boat. but by sea kayak standards, both of these SK's are short, and when i paddle with the RMSKC, i rarely keep up [unless the water gets rough, then i do pretty well!!] mark #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/cpr [Colorado Paddlers' Resource] http://www.diac.com/~zen/rmskc [Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club] http://www.diac.com/~zen/rmcc [Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page] http://www.diac.com/~zen/mark [personal] -- Fortune: Flugg's Law: When you need to knock on wood is when you realize that the world is composed of vinyl, naugahyde and aluminum. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 dldecker_at_mediaone.net wrote: >>What is your favorite kayak and Why? >> >>Dana 0) mohaw 16ft canoe - 78 lbs. bought 1972, sold ~ '90. great boat, just too heavy for me to move around. it helped me make it through college. 1) we-no-nah sundowner-18' canoe, 42 lbs. kathy and i like to cover a bit of water from swamps to bays. great glide = vanishing miles. great room = spread out and enjoy. 2) we-no-nah advantage-16'6 solo canoe, 36 lbs. i like it on tidal rivers and sheltered bays... easy to get to any gear on board. this boat also covers lots of miles. 3) current design pachena- 14'6 kayak, 38 lbs. kathy's boat. its just so nice that she seldom lets me in it. 4) wilderness sytems artic hawk- 18' kayak - 38 lbs. i needed to get even with kathy and a retired buddy, who usually teaches us how to be humble at race time. 5) a sit-on-top -??. this year kathy is getting even with me. 6) an olypmic kayak or surf ski-?? next year, i won't be out done by either kathy or the retired guys, who show up every year in sleaker kayaks... they are in florida now, training (hope a hipo steps on their new boats)... bye bye bliven *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
I have 3 boats: Wilderness Systems Piccalo - for kids and smaller friends who want to learn to paddle. It's a sleek litte boat for it's size and cost and with an experienced paddler, can keep up with the group. Seda Impulse - 18' 48lbs - Straight tracking, stable and fast boat that rides high in the water. Ideal for after work summer workouts on the Intracoastal. 2ndary stability a bit tricky.. Falcon 16 kevlar - 16' 40 lbs - great all around boat - likes rough water but a bit tender. I max it out at 6' 210lbs... Next boat: Kevlar Falcon 18 44lbs- All the minor failings of the 16 corrected and one of the nicest boats I've paddled.. This will probably replace the Impulse... None of the above have rudders and most of the usage is day trips. Make em light, fast with good tracking and manuaverable when leaned. Bob Denton Vice President Undersea Breathing Systems bob_at_dnax.com http://www.dnax.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
I feel underpriveledged!!! I only have one boat. Its a Dagger Edisto, its a little less than 15' I think. Perhaps a little small for folks around here, but I was afraid of putting anything longer on top of my little Tercel. I added a deck compass and it came with a nice rudder. It has no forward bulkhead, which at first made me a little nervous, but I've come to really like being able to get all my fishing equipment with me under the deck, including my long 2 piece flyrod. I added a white all-around light, cutting on the rear hatch cover, and reinforcing it. It gives me about 4-5 hours of light with a little ldAcid 12v - 7AmpHr battery. I've only done day tripping with it so far, (less than 3 months), but intend this to be a great substitute for multi-day backpacking; which used to require me to take a 14 hr car ride to get where I wanted to go. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
Being new on the list and new to paddling, and somewhat intimidated by all the great-sounding boats being paddled by list-members, I hesitated to address this thread, but R. Walker's post emboldened me. My first boat, bought used Saturday before last, is a Wenonah Sea Otter, a ~~16' FG kayak built in 1986. I've only paddled it once, on Lake Jocassee, SC, USA, for a short time to try it out, but I loved it -- quite an improvement from some of the rental boats I've used. It will be used on lakes and a flat river until I take it to the beach (Ocean Isle Beach, NC, USA) this summer. The second boat, for my wife, is an Aquaterra Spectrum we are buying used this weekend. It should be just right for her in size and capability. I knew on an intellectual level that this activity could get expensive, but I got used boats and lulled myself into a false sense of frugality till I bought cartop racks, a paddle, a PFD, and a spraydeck -- for almost as much as I paid for the two boats together! At least this activity gives a focus for gifts -- my wife gave me a bilge pump and a sponge for Valentine's Day -- isn't that romantic? -------------------------------- The Tao is nowhere to be found. Yet it nourishes and completes all things. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
At 10:17 PM 2/15/98 -0500, dldecker wrote: >I was wandering what kinda kayaks yall paddle and why. I've paddled an Aquaterra Sea Lion, an eddyline Raven, and a Current Designs kevlar Solstice GTS. All three were chosen partly because they have quite large hatches. My partner and I take multi-day trips the majority of time (no lead ballast needed!) and so need the extra capacity to cram in as much gear, food, and water as we can. The Solstice is, by far, the best. It handles well, tracks well, is light, holds plenty of gear, and is comfortable. Bill Ridlon Southern Maine Sea Kayaking Network *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
>On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 dldecker_at_mediaone.net wrote: > >What is your favorite kayak and Why? Another Arctic Hawk paddler.... a sweet boat which is enjoyable to paddle and also allows me to keep up with the younger crowd. I have a retractable Valley skeg which comes in handy occasionally. At 6' 175# I would like the boat to be about an inch narrower, as I feel that an important factor in the "stability question" has to do with the person fitting the boat. Too many day paddlers seem to be in boats too large for them... oops, starting to change this thread. frank montbriand fmont_at_capital.net >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >*************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
R. Walker wrote: > I feel underpriveledged!!! I only have one boat. > > Its a Dagger Edisto, its a little less than 15' I think. > Perhaps a little small for folks around here, but I was > afraid of putting anything longer on top of my little > Tercel. I added a deck compass and it came with a nice > rudder. It has no forward bulkhead, which at first made > me a little nervous, but I've come to really like being > able to get all my fishing equipment with me under the > deck, including my long 2 piece flyrod. SNIP Do you store the forward gear in an inflated dry bag which is tied into the boat? If not, then you may not have adequate bow flotation should you ever get swamped. There are some really good boats with no forward bulkheads and it's not really a problem as long as some type of secure flotation is provided. As you probably know, having flotation in only the stern can lead to having the swamped boat sitting vertical in the water, with the bow pointed towards the bottom! This can make it *very* tough get the water out & re-enter. Food for thought. Craig Olson Bellingham, Washington *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
> R. Walker wrote: > > > I feel underpriveledged!!! I only have one boat. > > > > Its a Dagger Edisto, its a little less than 15' I think. > > Perhaps a little small for folks around here, but I was > > afraid of putting anything longer on top of my little > > Tercel. I added a deck compass and it came with a nice > > rudder. It has no forward bulkhead, which at first made > > me a little nervous, but I've come to really like being > > able to get all my fishing equipment with me under the > > deck, including my long 2 piece flyrod. > SNIP > > Do you store the forward gear in an inflated dry bag which is tied into the boat? > If not, then you may not have adequate bow flotation should you ever get swamped. > There are some really good boats with no forward bulkheads and it's not really a > problem as long as some type of secure flotation is provided. As you probably know, > having flotation in only the stern can lead to having the swamped boat sitting > vertical in the water, with the bow pointed towards the bottom! This can make it > *very* tough get the water out & re-enter. Food for thought. I have inflated bags in both bow and stern; and it is boyount enough to where it doesn't do what you are talking about. I have swamped it in the pool, and its fine. The no forward bulkhead also allows for a neat trick, lifting the bow up out of the water, you can get the boat almost dry, then flip, almost as easy as doing it with a canoe... [almost :->] To be honest though, it wouldn't really matter unless there was some really bad luck, 99% of the time I am in water that is three foot deep or less. So while I have practiced recovering the boat over the deep end of the pool, its not a skill that I likely will ever have much use for. It is nice to know that I can do it, if I do venture offshore to the rigs and capsize while trying to boat a big Red Snapper. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
At 03:35 PM 2/17/98, Ron Johnson wrote: > >I knew on an intellectual level that this activity could get expensive, but >I got used boats and lulled myself into a false sense of frugality till I >bought cartop racks, a paddle, a PFD, and a spraydeck -- for almost as much >as I paid for the two boats together! Ron, Never, never, never add up what you're spending for all the gear, trips, related gear, etc. It'll either drive you nuts or out of the sport. Bill Ridlon Southern Maine Sea Kayaking Network *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
In regards to the cost. . . think of what you would pay for a wonderful vacation with some of the beauty, wonder and adventure of what we often get on a week-end (more or less) paddle. Think of what you would pay a "shrink" to help you mull over or work through those problems you just can't solve until you are out on the water. Think about the fitness club fees you would need to replace the hours of upper-body work you get in a summer of paddling. (of course, you need the work in the off season to stay in shape, but let's not focus on that part) And, last, think about all the strange people you meet other places besides paddling...wait a minute, forget that one. I am sure each one of us has something, beyond "just paddling" we receive along with the purchase of the equipment. My partner bought a boat for me to paddle, with him, when you were first dating, and here we are almost 5 years later, still discovering the world together, often in the yaks. The initial investment is large, but we are getting a lot more than just some "stuff" to get out on the water with. I doubt anyone would balance the cost with what actually comes with the whole package. Debra Southern Maine Sea Kayaking Network On Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:35:57 -0500 outdoors_at_biddeford.com writes: >At 03:35 PM 2/17/98, Ron Johnson wrote: >> >>I knew on an intellectual level that this activity could get >expensive, but >>I got used boats and lulled myself into a false sense of frugality >till I >>bought cartop racks, a paddle, a PFD, and a spraydeck -- for almost >as much >>as I paid for the two boats together! > >Ron, Never, never, never add up what you're spending for all the >gear, >trips, related gear, etc. It'll either drive you nuts or out of the >sport. > Bill Ridlon > Southern Maine Sea Kayaking Network > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >*************************************************************************** > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
DEBRA! YOU GOT IT! I have considered the costs shared to following 20 to 30 years: since 1995 about US $ 5000 to equipment: two kayaks (single & tandem), a tent, sleeping bags, mattresses, two PFDs, some windproof and rainproof clothes. Plus some payments to the club. I am always saving for the stuff. You all can divide that with 20 or 30, if you are willing - I am not. Not a very large sum, anyway. How much money do you put to cars per year? Mental health, peace of mind and good relations between people are investments - but not easy to estimate in money. BTW: our first longish trip with my girlfriend started with a quiet sulky silence during the first 90 kilometres.. still together after that experience. Your´s Ari Saarto "Think about your hips - a good sea kayaker is also a worthy partner in samba..." Kannaksenkatu 22 / P.O. 92 15141 Lahti - Finland - Europe GSM +358 - 50 - 526 5892 fax. +358 - 3 - 828 2815 e-mail: asaarto_at_lpt.fi *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
At 06:14 AM 2/19/98 , Ari Saarto wrote: >BTW: our first longish trip with my girlfriend started with a quiet >sulky silence during the first 90 kilometres.. still together after >that experience. You put up with a "sulky silence" for 90 kilometers? That's like 54 miles! What, 4 or 5 days? It must be love! ________________________________________________________________ Doug Barnard Virtual Acreage Agoura, California (near L.A.) Visualization in 2D/3D/4D http://virtualacreage.com 818-991-9328 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:05:52 -0800 > To: asaarto_at_lpt.fi > From: Doug Barnard <dbarnard_at_virtualacreage.com> > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Never mind the costs > Cc: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net,finelines_at_juno.com (Debra Nichols) > At 06:14 AM 2/19/98 , Ari Saarto wrote: > >BTW: our first longish trip with my girlfriend started with a quiet > >sulky silence during the first 90 kilometres.. still together after > >that experience. > > You put up with a "sulky silence" for 90 kilometers? That's like 54 miles! > What, 4 or 5 days? > > Three days, actually. And: we were not totally silent all the time... ( but somewhere during the very first day I did notice, that the lookout department at the bow WAS a little bit quiet :-)) It was the last time I was going out with a person, who has not really had time to practice after the winter & get the same physical level. I can get maniac at sea sometimes. Learned my lesson: we were resting the fourth day and fishing. To love & some other little things... Cheers! Ari Saarto "Think about your hips - a good sea kayaker is also a worthy partner in samba..." Kannaksenkatu 22 / P.O. 92 15141 Lahti - Finland - Europe GSM +358 - 50 - 526 5892 fax. +358 - 3 - 828 2815 e-mail: asaarto_at_lpt.fi *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
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