Been paddling around 8 months -- #1 started with a 13' fiberglass former river rental #2 old used Hydra Sea Runner --17'..6"x24"..... this boat is fun - stable-ya can bang it -- scrape it -drag it across the beach-- fish out of it ,and it has enuff room for gear for small trips - #3-16'x25" stitch and glue that i bought used for the wife - she has just started paddling ,and absolutely loves this boat because it is so stable -she sez its like a canoe with power steering and an automatic trans !!!<G>.... This boat is shaped similar to a Wilderness systems Poquito #4---18' x22" Stich and glue similar in shape to an arctic hawk -- i have only paddled this boat 2 times -and it feels really tippy -- but that is my inexperience showing !! It leans-carves turns terifically , ya can put yer ear in the water and not tip over !!!! This boat is fast as hell ,and is gonna take some gettin used to - the deck is really low compared to the other boats and its kinda scary havin the coaming in the water. And a comment on the cost of all this..... according to my wife who is thrilledSez... " Its cheaper than Harley Davidsons"!!-- i figure that i can buy about 15 more boats and gear -and not be up to what 1 new Harley would cost!!!<G> Also the dollar figure does not come close to the Peace and Sanity , and Spirituality I find while paddling.... Safe Passage........Steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 98-02-18 09:20:57 EST, kkaste_at_slip.net writes: << This is potentially a great thread. I am keeping a copy of everyone's post who responds to the "what do you paddle" request. I will compile a summary of all these responses and publish it back to the list for everyone. So far, though, there have only been 16 responses. There must be more than 16 subscribers out there with boats. Come on you Guillemot and Laughing Loon owners, come on you rotomold owners, and Coaster owners. Let's hear it. Even if you rent only, post an email describing which boat(s) you like the most. >> Oh, all right. I'll come out from lurk mode to contribute in the name of science. My touring boat is an Arluk II. It's an old model (ten years old) with vcp front hatch, a tied down back hatch and a small cockpit. I love everything about this boat and can't imagine a better boat for my purposes (except recently I've been fantasizing about something narrower, perhaps a 19" beam). I have an Umiak for the kids, although the oldest now needs a full size boat, and the youngest isn't too far behind. My main surfing boat is a Sabre. I also use a custom made surf boat and a wave ski for various conditions. I work part time as an instructor for a retail outfit so I have an opportunity to "play" with a large variety of boats in varying conditions. This satiates my need to try new boats. Scott So.Cal. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
I don't like touring with a jealous boat (pay attention to anything else, and it gets upset). So although I have a downriver kayak that sometimes get used, I don't have flatwater racers like Richard Culpeper's. Most of my paddling is day-tripping on small bodies of water -- wandering in the bush -- and for that I prefer one of my "little boats", double-paddle canoes, 15' long, 24" beam, about 24 lb weight. Move very easily on the water or off. Come to a beaver dam, take boat and daypack in one hand, paddle in the other, and get to the other side. No decks, so I can walk out the end. It's a development project, so I have loaners. Number Nine is the most recent, and my favourite. If I have work to do, e.g. requiring a chain saw _and_ a power brusher, I take Six, the fat one, with 28" beam. Sometimes, just for a change, I'll take Seven or Eight, with a 22" beam. I have used them for overnight, but I may build a slightly bigger one for that. On bigger water (The Ottawa River is over a mile wide in various places near here) I like my original Mariner sea kayak, from '82 or '83. I loan the Seafarer if someone else wants to come along. Whitewater, a Dagger Crossfire, even if I do need to take my shoes off first. (6'2", long legged, size 11 or 12 feet). People here go paddling on the Petawawa after work on Wednesdays, during the soft-water season. Paddling tandem, usually a USCA stripper cruiser, my first stripper, 18 1/2 ft and much too heavy at c 60-65 lb. Maybe this year I'll make myself a lighter tandem. If stability or payload is an issue, I'll use the ABS Dumoine, but it's even heavier than the big stripper, and doesn't have the same feeling of going fast. There was a wood-and-canvas copy of a boat (#199, I think) from Adney and Chapelle. I decided it was too much of a pig to sell or give away -- it might turn someone off paddling. So it went up the chimney this winter. Saved a couple of pieces. And there are several others which sometimes don't leave the garage during the year. I should either get rid of the Hydra Mustang or put some effort into fitting it out properly, for example. Bruce Winterbon bwinterb_at_intranet.ca http://intranet.ca:80/~bwinterb Carpe diem -- crastinum! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Keith Kaste wrote: >> >>This is potentially a great thread. I am keeping a copy of everyone's >>post who responds to the "what do you paddle" request. I will compile a >>summary of all these responses and publish it back to the list for >>everyone. So far, though, there have only been 16 responses. There >>must be more than 16 subscribers out there with boats. Come on you >>Guillemot and Laughing Loon owners, come on you rotomold owners, and >>Coaster owners. Let's hear it. Even if you rent only, post an email >>describing which boat(s) you like the most. there was a good thread like this on the CPA kayaker list, with a small twist... "if my boat was a car..." that was a really good one. also a thread on which boats you've owned in the past, and why you bought it, or got rid of it... paddlewise is a much bigger [i think??] mailing list, we could have fun with this mark #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/cpr [Colorado Paddlers' Resource] http://www.diac.com/~zen/rmskc [Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club] http://www.diac.com/~zen/rmcc [Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page] http://www.diac.com/~zen/mark [personal] -- Fortune: Now I lay me down to sleep I pray the double lock will keep; May no brick through the window break, And, no one rob me till I awake. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Mark Zen wrote: > there was a good thread like this on the CPA kayaker list, with a small > twist... "if my boat was a car..." that was a really good one. Interesting concept: Futura Carerra Surfski - More like a motorcycle, a kawasaki ninja sort of boat. Great in a straight line, extremely fast, unforgiving. But with skill can handle rougher conditions. (19'6" 17.25" beam, and about 30 pounds) VCP PinTail - A miata. Just plain fun. VCP Nordkapp HM - something with manual steering. I've got to either lean this hard or have it on the crest of a wave to turn it. Old Town Oltonar kayak - Lada or Yugo. According to a president of the local whitewater club the worst kayak ever designed. Heavy, slow, poor turner, loose seat, bad footbrace, bow heavy cockpit placement. I can't say anything good about this boat, other than my mother has it and she likes to use it to explore the quiet water river adjacent to her house. Old Town Tripper - Ford F350 pickup, big sturdy and it will hold a ton. WeNoNah usca tandem marathon boat circa 1978 - How about a '75 impala owned by someone who lives in a city. This boat rates among the more highly "loved" boats, outside of a plastic whitewater boat, that I know of. Cracked gunnels, compressed foam core, no portion of the bottom is unscratched. Bow is "modified" where we had 2 different collisions which both resulted in the bow paddler flying over the bow into the water, in one incident the bow paddler was a professional arm wrestler... WeNoNah J200 - Corvette, with skinny tires. I have trouble with this boat in waves over about 8". Light and quick in flat conditions, unnerving (for me) if it's at all rough. 18' Old Town Laker - older suburban - it's 90 pounds with a flat bottom. big and stable (in mild conditions). I've sold this to a friend, but it's still in my yard, my wife won't help put it on the car she wants a lighter boat. I haven't figured out what the newer wenonah usca tandem or the dyson 5.7 aluminum/nylon baidarka would be. kirk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
> From: Keith Kaste <kkaste_at_slip.net> > > This is potentially a great thread. I am keeping a copy of everyone's > post who responds to the "what do you paddle" request. I will compile a > summary of all these responses and publish it back to the list for > everyone. This is a good idea, Keith. After you put your summary together, I'll set it all up on the PaddleWise website in the articles section along with the sponsons thread. I think I'll also add the tent articles and ballasts, too. Great topics and some really nice contributions from this group. My primary boat is a plastic Sea Lion. Why? - Manufacturer's reputation and warranty - Appearance and feel (handles confused and beam seas nicely as well as easily carves a turn) - Price - Don't have to worry about cracking it on the rocks when rock gardening or landing in surf - Large hatches - Resale value for a plastic sea kayak - After four years, bulkheads are still watertight even through a lot of use and some abuse (I've heard a lot of complaints, guess I've been lucky). Drawbacks: - No chines, tends to broach (I suppose the lack of chines may contribute as I paddled two boats with heavy chines that surfed nicely in beach landings and in following seas but were almost impossible to turn and the designer thought it was a plus that they required a rudder to turn ??? ) - Heavy - Weathercocks (sometimes requires rudder in quarter winds) Will I ever sell it? Probably not :-) Too much like a pet. But still looking for the "perfect rudderless boat." Just my .02 Cheers, Jackie _ _ _ _ _ \\ / \0/ \ / \0/ \ \\ " " `\ ,sSSs,\, )\w/( ,sSS..)/{) <<..> sSSS_v)/ \ )<*> sSS[(\_]___\ <(_/_o_o_ 'sS[_`-+---+) \----+-------+-------'---`-----\-------------') ~~~~~~~ ~~jf ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~\~ ~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ o \ o \\ o o \\ o o ` (\ o o >jf:-) o (/ o *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
At 11:17 PM 2/17/98 -0800, Keith Kaste wrote: >This is potentially a great thread. I am keeping a copy of everyone's >post who responds to the "what do you paddle" request. So far, though, there have only been 16 responses. There >must be more than 16 subscribers out there with boats. Solo Boats: Mad River "ME" -- Kevlar 15'4" dated open canoe design that I don't paddle any more. Came out about 1976 or so. Lots of rocker, a whitewater boat. Millbrook Boats "Hooter" -- 13'2" older Kevlar slalom racing open canoe design that got replaced by newer hotter models several years back. Massive rocker and very asymmetrical. Too much boat for me as my shoulders no longer allow as much offside paddling as this one requires. I'm back to being a stern pry paddler. Bell "Wildfire" -- 14'6" Carbon/Kevlar sort of a freestyle-type open canoe. Not whitewater. (ex) Perception "HD-1" -- 13'6" old Royalex highly rockered slalom style whitewater open canoe design from about 1977. Great boat, but way ahead of it's time, so it died. Has since been replaced by some other better designs. Several old decked C-1's but I don't paddle decked any more. And the designs are all so old that Rich K would just snicker... (they're even older than that Gemini C-2 he's got. And I'm not even going to tell you about all the old end hole C2's I've had!). Tandem boats: We-No-Nah "Oddysey" -- 18'6 Kevlar wilderness tripping open canoe, okay for rivers, great for lakes. Clipper "Sea Clipper" -- 18'6" Jensen designed as an ocean going open canoe. Doubt that it's used as one very much. This one is Kevlar/glass and I use it as a river wilderness tripper. Ralph Frese "Canadienne 17" also might still be made by Old Town. Symmetrical open canoe, but I don't paddle this one any more as I've beat it up too bad. The first boat I ever owned. Another wilderness river tripper. Dagger "Venture 17" -- Royalex open canoe wilderness tripper. Nice dry boat for heavy whitewater rivers. ABS layup is a bit light and floppy but still useable. Home built 18.5' cedar stripper -- Also used as a wilderness tripper, both river and lakes. Anyone interested in my opinion of the construction and performance characteristics can contact me and I'll respond. Hank Hays *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
At 05:03 PM 2/18/98 +0200, Ari Saarto wrote: >... My motto is: good kayakers are also good in samba! > I agree wholeheartedly with Ari! As a matter of fact, I learned the samba before I learned kayaking. I think to do either well requires a fit and supple body. Bill Ridlon Southern Maine Sea Kayaking Network *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
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