On Mon, 9 Feb 1998 dldecker_at_mediaone.net wrote: > >> I am no lawyer, and don't play the part on TV, and did not write the >>Waiver. I can only say that I don't like the whole idea of having to have >>waivers. The people I paddle with on club trips are the same I paddle with >>at other times. >> >>Dana i hate them too ;-) my solution in the past has been simple. if everyone that shows up for my trip is a friend, and i know them, have paddled with them, etc, i cancel the club trip, throw the waivers in the back of my car, and then we have a private trip ;-) if i've never paddled with members of the trip, i do the whole "formal trip thing" to protect my a**. i think fully 50% of my trips have ended up as "privates" now, maybe i should clarify one thing, i usually only lead class I-II trips, and go as a participant on the harder trips. i am an ACA certified whitewater instructor, and do teach a few classes a year, at the flat and moving water levels, never whitewater. when you get students for whitewater, you open up a couple kettles of worms, as there is usually a pre-requisite, the flat/moving water class. do you require them to be taken from a known source, or what?? our club's answer, finally, had to be, the course HAS to be taken through the RMCC, for club sponsored classes. the instructors many time in the past took someone's word, when they said they had taken class X from teacher Y, at location Z. too many students really weren't ready, and were over their head quite soon, in more ways than one... #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/cpr [Colorado Paddlers' Resource] http://www.diac.com/~zen/rmskc [Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club] http://www.diac.com/~zen/rmcc [Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page] http://www.diac.com/~zen/mark [personal] -- Fortune: "I must have a prodigious quantity of mind; it takes me as much as a week sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain, "The Innocents Abroad" *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
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