Ahh Yes, the old waiver thing. I use one. All participants on my trips get the following; I ____________ hereby acknowledge that John Winters, an incompetent paddler with next to no rescue skills our knowledge of the outdoors has requested my presence on this trip to provide advice and safety to his person and possessions. I acknowledge that I have forgotten more about paddling than he will ever know and that he is too stupid to pour piss out of a boot with directions on the heel and would not be going on this trip were it not for me. If John Winters is obligated or feels obligated to rescue me or any of my possessions and incurs any injury or loss in so doing I acknowledge and accept full responsibility and agree to reimburse him, his heirs or assigns for any damages real or imagined.. Signed __________________ Cheers John Winters Redwing Designs Specialists in Human Powered Watercraft http://home.ican.net/~735769/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
John Winters wrote: > > Ahh Yes, the old waiver thing. > > I use one. All participants on my trips get the following; > > I ____________ hereby acknowledge that John Winters, an incompetent paddler > with next to no rescue skills our knowledge of the outdoors has requested > my > presence on this trip to provide advice and safety to his person and > possessions. I acknowledge that I have forgotten more about paddling than > he will ever know and that he is too stupid to pour piss out of a boot with > directions on the heel and would not be going on this trip were it not for > me. etc. Gee, You see, a moderated list allows John to confess his inadequacies without ridicule, flaming or any such dastardly responses. I think I will forward his admission to a fellow Canadian of his who has been trying to tell us all along how poorly prepared John is for anything wet (other than a Molson's) that he might as well make out a will before every paddling trip. That individual will feel vindicated. :-) ralph -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
At 11:28 AM 2/10/98 -0800, rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com wrote: >John Winters wrote: >> >> Ahh Yes, the old waiver thing. >> >> I use one. All participants on my trips get the following; >> >> I ____________ hereby acknowledge that John Winters, an incompetent paddler >> with next to no rescue skills our knowledge of the outdoors has requested >> my >> presence on this trip to provide advice and safety to his person and >> possessions. I acknowledge that I have forgotten more about paddling than >> he will ever know and that he is too stupid to pour piss out of a boot with >> directions on the heel and would not be going on this trip were it not for >> me. etc. > >Gee, > >You see, a moderated list allows John to confess his inadequacies >without ridicule, flaming or any such dastardly responses. I think I >will forward his admission to a fellow Canadian of his who has been >trying to tell us all along how poorly prepared John is for anything wet >(other than a Molson's) that he might as well make out a will before >every paddling trip. That individual will feel vindicated. :-) > >ralph >-- Gee ralph I thought he was pointing out his good points and paddling abilities. Dana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
First I kept thinking that the "gators" posts were all about those nylon leg covers you wear skiing (gaiters). Now I'm thinking that "waivers" are those people standing on the shore wishing they owned a kayak too. . . "All readings are mis-readings." That's what English majors learn. . . George Bergeron, Director '99 OSWEGO HERITAGE COUNCIL P.O. Box 1041, Lake Oswego, Oregon 97034 http://www.europa.com/~heritage/welcome.html Email: heritage_at_europa.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
Geo. Bergeron wrote: > First I kept thinking that the "gators" posts were all about those > nylon leg covers you wear skiing (gaiters). Now I'm thinking that "waivers" > are those people standing on the shore wishing they owned a kayak too. . . > > "All readings are mis-readings." That's what English majors learn. . . > You mean we've been speaking "english"?? ;-> Randall. <not a designer> <doesn't own a tour service> <isn't head of any organization> <doesn't have a web page> <can waste bandwith with the best of 'em> *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
At 07:53 AM 2/20/98 -0600, Randall Dickerson wrote: > > >Geo. Bergeron wrote: > >> First I kept thinking that the "gators" posts were all about those >> nylon leg covers you wear skiing (gaiters). Now I'm thinking that "waivers" >> are those people standing on the shore wishing they owned a kayak too. . . >> >> "All readings are mis-readings." That's what English majors learn. . . >> > >You mean we've been speaking "english"?? ;-> > >Randall. We be speeking kayaking Dana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
Concerning the waiver thread for Alice (it started with Alice, didn't it?), the Southern Maine Sea Kayaking Network uses the following: The Southern Maine Sea Kayaking Network Acknowledgement of Self-Responsibility and Release I, (printed name) understand that sea kayaking involves significant potential risks to my health and equipment, in part due to cold and/or turbulent water. I agree to assume these risks in their entirety when participating in Network events. I also understand that while others may have skills and/or knowledge greater than mine, they are not responsible for my well-being. I agree to inform my fellow paddlers of any significant aspects of my physical condition or medical history that might increase the risk to myself or others. I give my permission to participants to seek emergency medical treatment for me should I require it during a Network event. I agree to exercise all necessary caution during Network events and to exercise my personal judgement in a manner consistent with my skill level, knowledge and experience. Network Trip Paddling Guidlines - Self-rescue skills are essential. Do not count on being saved by someone else. - Consider tide and weather information before launching. - Discuss a float plan among the group before launching. Advised Equipment: PFD pump sprayskirt compass & chart paddle float flares proper flotation whistle wetsuit or drysuit spare paddle waterproof light water, food, & matches complete change of clothes reflective tape on boat, paddle, & PFD first-aid kit weather/VHF radio strobe light tow line I have read this statement and fully understand its content. I am aware that I am releasing certain rights on behalf of myself and my family in return for being permitted to participate in Network events. I totally and completely release and absolve the Southern Maine Sea Kayaking Network, its members, its officers, and all trip/event participants from liability of any sort relating to bodily injury or damaged equipment. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
Ralph wrote; (SNIP) > > You see, a moderated list allows John to confess his inadequacies > without ridicule, flaming or any such dastardly responses. I think I > will forward his admission to a fellow Canadian of his who has been > trying to tell us all along how poorly prepared John is for anything wet > (other than a Molson's) that he might as well make out a will before > every paddling trip. That individual will feel vindicated. :-) > Don't you dare. Alice wrote; >I like this waiver. This waiver works for me. Can I use it? TIA! Feel free to use it. I think it is it is time the shoe was on the other foot. Those who run trips need protection too. Cheers John Winters Redwing Designs Specialists in Human Powered Watercraft http://home.ican.net/~735769/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
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