Rich K wrote" >Nothing. Hold onto the paddle if you think you're going to need it. >(The *last* thing I want is any kind of rope or line attached to me.) I agree if you're talking about whitewater paddling, but there have been times when sea-kayaking that I have thought that it would be handy to have a paddle leash tethered _to the kayak_ (not to me!). It would make rest stops handier and might even make it easier to keep things together in the (hopefully unlikely) event of a capsize. I've just been too lazy to do anything about it, so I too am interested in paddle leash thoughts from the rest of the list. Dave David Seng / david_at_wainet.com Wostmann & Associates / phone - 907.586.6167 223 Seward St. / fax - 907.586.2996 Juneau, Alaska 99801 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 08:33:08AM -0900, David Seng wrote: > >Nothing. Hold onto the paddle if you think you're going to need it. > >(The *last* thing I want is any kind of rope or line attached to me.) > > I agree if you're talking about whitewater paddling, but there have been > times when sea-kayaking that I have thought that it would be handy to > have a paddle leash tethered _to the kayak_ (not to me!). Okay, I'm confused here. It seems to me that as a whitewater paddler, I stand a much better chance of having the paddle ripped out of my hands than a sea kayaker -- in fact, I *have* had the paddle ripped out of my hands, which is why I work on my hands roll fairly often. ;-) Now being upside-down sans paddle in big whitewater is not at the top of my list of Fun Things To Do (most of those involve Sigourney Weaver and Chadd's Ford Cabernet Franc '95, but I digress) but it has occured to me that maybe, just *maybe*, that I was better off surrendering my paddle to Mr. Bubbly than hanging onto it and having one or both shoulders architecturally rearranged by the river. So my puzzlement leads to this question: if you are in water conditions so severe that your paddle is torn from your grasp, do you *really* *REALLY* want to be leashed to that paddle? And to this one: under those conditions, does it do you any good to have it leashed to the boat? Maybe I'm missing something fundamental here (could be; I get hit in the head fairly often and that's got to be having a cumulative effect) but I have seen these leashes, held these leashes, admired the construction of these leashes and can't figure out what the heck good they do. ---Rsk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I think that to those who are not using traditional Greenland paddles a sudden gust of wind at sea would be a real problem. [Thanks to Joq I am designing a Greenland paddle - a full rapport follows, sooner or later...] I have seen some people having only a feet long string, which is tied loosely to their wrists. Didnīt convince me very much. Has anyone considered the danger of hitting [when collapsing] oneself accidentally with a paddle if the tether or string is too short? - NO, NOT with a bungie :-) [Besides legendary Dr. Inverbon, who surely could comment on that matter;-)] Cheers, Ari Saarto "the horizon is not a limit..." Finland - Europe GSM +358 - 50 - 526 5892 fax. +358 - 3 - 828 2815 e-mail: asaarto_at_lpt.fi *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Rich Kulawiec wrote: >Maybe I'm missing something fundamental here (could be; I get hit in >the head fairly often and that's got to be having a cumulative effect) >but I have seen these leashes, held these leashes, admired the construction >of these leashes and can't figure out what the heck good they do. I occasionally use a paddle leash when I touring about because it is nice to drop the paddle in the water and take a picture, raft up, get my sprayskirt on or whatever. Seems to me that they are also handy for assisted rescues -- giving and receiving. Of course I could just jam the paddle under my deckcords, but whenever I do that it seems I spend in inordinate amount of time making it stay, and it usually just falls out anyway. Here's a question: wouldn't it be kind of difficult to get tangled up in a leash while rolling? The leashes I've seen seem far short to do this. I might be completely wrong. Someone set me straight. -Patrick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
i'll preface this with, i'm a canoeist, OC2 mostly, and new[er] to the sea kayak scene, and i am answering this as a sea kayaker, not whitewater. mz On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Rich Kulawiec wrote: >> >>On Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 08:33:08AM -0900, David Seng wrote: >>> >Nothing. Hold onto the paddle if you think you're going to need it. >>> >(The *last* thing I want is any kind of rope or line attached to me.) >>> >>> I agree if you're talking about whitewater paddling, but there have been >>> times when sea-kayaking that I have thought that it would be handy to >>> have a paddle leash tethered _to the kayak_ (not to me!). >> >>Okay, I'm confused here. It seems to me that as a whitewater paddler, >>I stand a much better chance of having the paddle ripped out of my hands >>than a sea kayaker -- in fact, I *have* had the paddle ripped out of >>my hands, which is why I work on my hands roll fairly often. ;-) >> >>Now being upside-down sans paddle in big whitewater is not at the top >>of my list of Fun Things To Do (most of those involve Sigourney Weaver >>and Chadd's Ford Cabernet Franc '95, but I digress) but it has occured >>to me that maybe, just *maybe*, that I was better off surrendering >>my paddle to Mr. Bubbly than hanging onto it and having one or both >>shoulders architecturally rearranged by the river. So my puzzlement >>leads to this question: if you are in water conditions so severe >>that your paddle is torn from your grasp, do you *really* *REALLY* want >>to be leashed to that paddle? NO, i would only attach the paddle to the boat. i would expect that conditions encountered on water would be such that a person is flipped over, and _not_ that the paddle is wrenched from their hands, hence they have their paddle already... >> >>And to this one: under those conditions, does it do you any good to >>have it leashed to the boat? yes, if you seperate from your boat, you can hold onto either one, and have the other nearby. ... hmmm, let's try again, if you flip over and wet exit, as long as you hold onto one or the other, you have the second one nearby... that's better ;-) >> >>Maybe I'm missing something fundamental here (could be; I get hit in >>the head fairly often and that's got to be having a cumulative effect) >>but I have seen these leashes, held these leashes, admired the construction >>of these leashes and can't figure out what the heck good they do. >> >>---Rsk when i bought my first sea kayak, i was given a leash. i hooked it to my PFD and the paddle, "now i won't lose it" --- i was playing on a local lake, and intentionally turned over, and bailed out. still had my paddle ;-) but the boat was blown away [luckily towards shore]. coming from a whitewater canoe background, i have a big sharp knife on my PFD, so if i thought i was getting tangled, i'd cut something ;-) the leash i use is about 3+ feet [1m] of bungie cord. if i'm whietwater paddling in my sea kayak, i'd not use the leash [remember, in an OC1/2, nothing should hang below the gunwales when the boat is inverted, i know _you_ know this rich, but i want to stress it to others who might not know]. when i'm SKing on a flat lake, i don't generally use the leash, although it has come in handy, when i throw the paddle away, and grab the camera!! when i'm out in "fun" conditions, i attach the leash. did i help or obfuscate? mark #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/cpr [Colorado Paddlers' Resource] http://www.diac.com/~zen/rmskc [Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club] http://www.diac.com/~zen/rmcc [Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page] http://www.diac.com/~zen/mark [personal] -- Fortune: The goal of science is to build better mousetraps. The goal of nature is to build better mice. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 02:01:20PM -0700, Mark Zen wrote: > coming from a whitewater canoe background, i have a big sharp knife on my > PFD, so if i thought i was getting tangled, i'd cut something ;-) Me too. Big honking sucker that *so far* has just been used on various bits and pieces of lunch. (knocks on wood) > did i help or obfuscate? Yes, you helped a lot. The line of thinking is beginning to penetrate my thick skull, even in its coffee-deprived state. I promise not to replace your leash with a bungee cord so that the next time you're doing a really scenic surf and decide to augment it with a paddle toss that... ;-) ---Rsk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Seda Impulse: 18' Sea Kayak. Very fast yet stable boat Weighs 48lbs (Glass and some Kevlar) and is white with a red deck. Has grab lines installed. Tracks very well... Less then 1 year old and in excellent condition...need to make room for my new carbon Nordkapp. Cost new: $1700 I can possibly ship the boat. I have packing facilities at work. $1100 Bob Denton Vice President Undersea Breathing Systems bob_at_dnax.com http://www.dnax.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
David Seng wrote: > > Rich K wrote" > > >Nothing. Hold onto the paddle if you think you're going to need it. > >(The *last* thing I want is any kind of rope or line attached to me.) > > I agree if you're talking about whitewater paddling, but there have been > times when sea-kayaking that I have thought that it would be handy to > have a paddle leash tethered _to the kayak_ (not to me!). It would make > rest stops handier and might even make it easier to keep things together > in the (hopefully unlikely) event of a capsize. I've just been too lazy > to do anything about it, so I too am interested in paddle leash thoughts > from the rest of the list. > > Dave > > David Seng / david_at_wainet.com > Wostmann & Associates / phone - 907.586.6167 > 223 Seward St. / fax - 907.586.2996 > Juneau, Alaska 99801 > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** Hi, I have paddled for years with a "bungy cord" of about one meter long and find it very useful when both hands are needed for a drinkbottle or fitting a spray deck etc.However I have a rule that the paddle is to be unhooked when coming ashore in surf.I have a small saddle fitted in front of the cockpit.The eleastic is fitted with a nylon(plastic)hook on one side which hooks unto the saddle .The otherside has a couple of strips of velcro which,wrapped around the paddle will hold sufficient in normal cases when the paddle is overboard,but will braek loose if I get tangeled up during a capsize,whenever that will be. Eddie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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