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From: <Jack_Martin_at_jtif.webfld.navy.mil>
subject: [Paddlewise] Sit-on-tops
Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 21:51:50 -0500
     Anyone on the list have any direct experience with paddling 
     sit-on-tops?  Am considering adding one to the collection --- or 
     trading in the old, unused Sea Lion --- and am particularly interested 
     in Ocean Kayak's "Scrambler XT".  Anything I should compare to 
     evaluate the "XT"?
     
     Thoughts appreciated.
     
     Jack Martin
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From: Dan Volker <dlv_at_gate.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Sit-on-tops
Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 22:20:20 -0400
 I use a racing surfski, a sit on top. 19.5 feet long. Learning curve starts
out slow, but you can get so that nearly any bad weather can be fun, and
your friends with touring boats will never be able to keep up with you if
you race them.
And the most important reason, for the surfski, to me, was that I can easily
get off, and then back in, making freediving on it around 2 miles out, very
feasible.
REgards,
Dan

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From: Jack_Martin_at_jtif.webfld.navy.mil <Jack_Martin_at_jtif.webfld.navy.mil>
To: PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net <PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net>
Date: Saturday, May 09, 1998 10:00 PM
Subject: [Paddlewise] Sit-on-tops



>     Anyone on the list have any direct experience with paddling
>     sit-on-tops?  Am considering adding one to the collection --- or
>     trading in the old, unused Sea Lion --- and am particularly interested
>     in Ocean Kayak's "Scrambler XT".  Anything I should compare to
>     evaluate the "XT"?
>
>     Thoughts appreciated.
>
>     Jack Martin
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From: SurfBuff <kayaker_at_caribsurf.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Sit-on-tops
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:17:57 -0300
I'm in Barbados in the Caribbean and I have several sit-on-tops.  My 'thing' is rough water paddling.  The best I've paddled in rough water is the Pyranha Surf-Jet 305.  It has a retractable skeg and surfs waves quite good.

The Prijon Twister is a good surfing sit-on-top.  The others I paddled: Wilderness Systens Two-Can, Ride & Riot are OK but not for surfing.  The Necky Spike and Dorado if fitted with a rudder surfs reasonably well and are comfy and stable for short touring.  

Of course no long boat, (sit-on-top or decked) because of the physics, can be a high-performance surfing boat.

I've little experience with the Ocean Kayaks, there are only a few of them around here.  

If you get a boat over 12' long its not going to surf waves very well but it would probably track and hold a straight course better than a (say) 9' boat, which will not be as comfortable but will be able to surf waves.

Dave
Barbados

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Sent: 	Saturday, May 09, 1998 11:51 PM
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Subject: 	[Paddlewise] Sit-on-tops

     Anyone on the list have any direct experience with paddling 
     sit-on-tops?  Am considering adding one to the collection --- or 
     trading in the old, unused Sea Lion --- and am particularly interested 
     in Ocean Kayak's "Scrambler XT".  Anything I should compare to 
     evaluate the "XT"?
     
     Thoughts appreciated.
     
     Jack Martin
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From: Dan Volker <dlv_at_gate.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Sit-on-tops
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 14:06:50 -0400
-----Original Message-----
From: SurfBuff <kayaker_at_caribsurf.com>
To: Jack_Martin_at_jtif.webfld.navy.mil <Jack_Martin_at_jtif.webfld.navy.mil>;
PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net <PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net>
Date: Sunday, May 10, 1998 9:34 AM
Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Sit-on-tops



>I'm in Barbados in the Caribbean and I have several sit-on-tops.  My
'thing' is rough water paddling.  The best I've paddled in rough water is
the Pyranha Surf-Jet 305.  It has a retractable skeg and surfs waves quite
good.
>
>The Prijon Twister is a good surfing sit-on-top.  The others I paddled:
Wilderness Systens Two-Can, Ride & Riot are OK but not for surfing.  The
Necky Spike and Dorado if fitted with a rudder surfs reasonably well and are
comfy and stable for short touring.
>
>Of course no long boat, (sit-on-top or decked) because of the physics, can
be a high-performance surfing boat.
>
>I've little experience with the Ocean Kayaks, there are only a few of them
around here.
>
>If you get a boat over 12' long its not going to surf waves very well but
it would probably track and hold a straight course better than a (say) 9'
boat, which will not be as comfortable but will be able to surf waves.
>
>Dave
>Barbados
>


I would disagree with this----real surf skis are racing  sit on top kayaks,
always over 19 feet long, some up to 23 feet. They have amazingly fast hull
speeds, far faster than the relatively scow like, 12 foot long boats. The
basic difference in desired use, is that I would be inclined to surf ocean
waves over a mile out, and to surf in as I return to shore.
The surf-yaks are short and maneuverable for surfing at the beach---which
will make them far easier to control than a surfski, but would stink 2 miles
out.
Regards,
Dan Volker
WPB , Fl

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>Sent: Saturday, May 09, 1998 11:51 PM
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>Subject: [Paddlewise] Sit-on-tops
>
>     Anyone on the list have any direct experience with paddling
>     sit-on-tops?  Am considering adding one to the collection --- or
>     trading in the old, unused Sea Lion --- and am particularly interested
>     in Ocean Kayak's "Scrambler XT".  Anything I should compare to
>     evaluate the "XT"?
>
>     Thoughts appreciated.
>
>     Jack Martin
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