In a search of the net, I found 6 web pages that illustrate and discuss various rolling techniques. They are well done. I found these 6 pages at two different locations with minor differences (e.g., changed background color, links between pages differ or are missing) and in both cases there was no information on who created these pages. My guess is that these will be familiar to some of you. Perhaps someone can tell me where they originated from. I have put copies of them here on one of my machines. Please have a look. I will remove them tomorrow, not wanting to violate someone's copyright (if they are copyrighted). The first page is at: http://www.zooid.com/sbpaddle/rolling/rolling1.htm I have placed links to the other pages at the bottom of each page. Bob Tellefson http://www.zooid.com/sbpaddle Bob Tellefson High Quality Turnkey Systems & Consulting RCT Design Multi-platform systems our specialty 805-683-9717 Unix, Windows NT, Windows 95, Internet, Intranet 805-683-0717 (fax) http://www.zooid.com email: bob_at_zooid.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Check out www.wwkayak.com for an animated .gif of a roll.. cya -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Bob Tellefson Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 12:58 PM To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: [Paddlewise] rolling web pages In a search of the net, I found 6 web pages that illustrate and discuss various rolling techniques. They are well done. I found these 6 pages at two different locations with minor differences (e.g., changed background color, links between pages differ or are missing) and in both cases there was no information on who created these pages. My guess is that these will be familiar to some of you. Perhaps someone can tell me where they originated from. I have put copies of them here on one of my machines. Please have a look. I will remove them tomorrow, not wanting to violate someone's copyright (if they are copyrighted). The first page is at: http://www.zooid.com/sbpaddle/rolling/rolling1.htm I have placed links to the other pages at the bottom of each page. Bob Tellefson http://www.zooid.com/sbpaddle Bob Tellefson High Quality Turnkey Systems & Consulting RCT Design Multi-platform systems our specialty 805-683-9717 Unix, Windows NT, Windows 95, Internet, Intranet 805-683-0717 (fax) http://www.zooid.com email: bob_at_zooid.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I posted this question to GASP, got one response from a really nice person with suggestions for trips but no mangroves, and one recommendation to send it to PW, so here 'tis. I'm planning my "non-family" or solo vacation for the summer, and have been searching guidebooks and maps, trying to find the nearest coastal mangrove swamp. From here in Americus, GA, I can get to the Gulf--Alligator Point s. of Tallahassee--in about three and a half or four hours. I want to find a location for several day or an overnight paddle that includes a chance to find some mangrove habitat. I've found out that Cedar Key has no any mangrove swamp, so what's the closest? I hope I don't have to go as far south as Tampa, but I will...might wait til September, though. Thanks in advance, Wynne Americus, GA USA I usually take this vacation solo or with one or two other people. We've been going to the Carolina coast or blackwater rivers for several years, now I'm trying to get them to come south to the Gulf coast. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
The source is obviously British. It might be from the British Canoe Union Handbook, but I would have to check my copy to be sure. An interesting thing about the illustrations is that several appear to show the paddle behind the paddler's head at some point during the roll. I would think that this technique would expose the paddler to greater risk of shoulder dislocation. I am mostly self-taught, but when I do a screw roll, I lay back at the finish, so my paddle is never behind or directly above my head. (At least, that is the way it feels to me.) Chuck Holst -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tellefson [mailto:bob_at_zooid.com] Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 12:16 PM To: paddlewise Subject: [Paddlewise] rolling web pages In a search of the net, I found 6 web pages that illustrate and discuss various rolling techniques. They are well done. I found these 6 pages at two different locations with minor differences (e.g., changed background color, links between pages differ or are missing) and in both cases there was no information on who created these pages. My guess is that these will be familiar to some of you. Perhaps someone can tell me where they originated from. I have put copies of them here on one of my machines. Please have a look. I will remove them tomorrow, not wanting to violate someone's copyright (if they are copyrighted). The first page is at: http://www.zooid.com/sbpaddle/rolling/rolling1.htm I have placed links to the other pages at the bottom of each page. Bob Tellefson http://www.zooid.com/sbpaddle Bob Tellefson High Quality Turnkey Systems & Consulting RCT Design Multi-platform systems our specialty 805-683-9717 Unix, Windows NT, Windows 95, Internet, Intranet 805-683-0717 (fax) http://www.zooid.com email: bob_at_zooid.com ************************************************************************** * PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ************************************************************************** * ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from multitech.com by multitech.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9c for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Jul13.121608.1944.303262; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:16:08 -0500 Received: from ns1.intelenet.net ([204.182.160.31]) by gateway.multitech.com with ESMTP id <16130>; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:01:38 -0500 Received: (from majordom_at_localhost) by ns1.intelenet.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA25664 Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:59:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.intelenet.net (intelenet.net [204.182.160.1]) by ns1.intelenet.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA25660 Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cress.zooid.com (root_at_cress.zooid.com [207.33.43.97]) by ns.intelenet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA26839 for <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net>; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frisee (debian.zooid.com [207.33.43.106]) by cress.zooid.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA00135 for <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net>; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:10:22 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980713095814.00c68460_at_zooid.com> X-Sender: bob_at_zooid.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:58:14 -0500 To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net From: Bob Tellefson <bob_at_zooid.com> Subject: [Paddlewise] rolling web pages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Precedence: list X-Listname: Paddlewise Mailing List X-Subscription-Info: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 01:33 PM 7/13/98 -0500, you wrote: > >The source is obviously British. It might be from the British Canoe >Union Handbook, but I would have to check my copy to be sure. > >An interesting thing about the illustrations is that several appear to >show the paddle behind the paddler's head at some point during the >roll. I would think that this technique would expose the paddler to >greater risk of shoulder dislocation. I am mostly self-taught, but when >I do a screw roll, I lay back at the finish, so my paddle is never >behind or directly above my head. (At least, that is the way it feels >to me.) > On page 4 under "The Body Follow Through", it talks about the forward vs. backward body position on completion of the roll. I was taught to lay back, but what is said here about leaning forward at the last makes some sense - I have never tried that. Somewhere in the text it mentions that the drawing differs slightly from the desired method. The paddle behind the head may just be the artist's rendition. Bob http://www.zooid.com/sbpaddle *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 09:58 AM 7/13/98 -0700, Bob Tellefson <bob_at_zooid.com> wrote: I have put copies of them here on >one of my machines. Please have a look. I will remove them tomorrow, not >wanting to violate someone's copyright (if they are copyrighted). > >The first page is at: > > http://www.zooid.com/sbpaddle/rolling/rolling1.htm > >I have placed links to the other pages at the bottom of each page. > >Bob Tellefson >http://www.zooid.com/sbpaddle Nice job, and we appreciate the effort. But why not just post the URL of the original page? That seems the purpose of hypertext links in this medium. Just for the record. ALL print material is copyrighted under US and Canadian law --even your laundry list. This is automatic, no need to declare it anywhere. Copy may be expressly permitted, or simply not an issue. But the material is always copyrighted. ______________________________ George Bergeron, Secretary '99 Oswego Heritage Council www.europa.com/~heritage/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 12:38 PM 7/13/98 -0700, Geo. Bergeron wrote: > > Nice job, and we appreciate the effort. But why not just post the URL of >the original page? That seems the purpose of hypertext links in this medium. Quite right, although links come and go; so it is often prudent to grab a copy if you think you might wish to refer to the material later. These pages showed up individually in a Hotbot search and were disconnected, making them difficult to navigate between the pages. I merely rounded them up and linked them - no real effort. I have subsequently found another site that has them all linked nicely. See: http://www.algonet.se/~fedukatv/kayak.html Again no author information. > > Just for the record. ALL print material is copyrighted under US and >Canadian law --even your laundry list. This is automatic, no need to >declare it anywhere. Copy may be expressly permitted, or simply not an >issue. But the material is always copyrighted. > Agreed, except when put in the public domain. My interest here is in finding the source of this material, if possible. Some time ago I found a similar, perhaps identical (I am not sure) set of pages at http://www.stewart.edu/KayakRolling/Rolling.html. This server subsequently went away before I had a chance to study it. As links come and go, I have grabbed this set for my own perusal. I have removed them now, leaving only a link to the Swedish site. Hopefully someone will recognize this work and lead me to the source. Oh well, back to work :-) Bob http://www.zooid.com/sbpaddle *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
The author of the kayak rolling web pages was indeed Rob Hignell. He sent me an email and pointed out the current location of his work. It can be seen at: http://www.bristol.digitalcity.org/org/sports/canoe/kayakrol/rolling.htm He has enhanced it with some animated images of the screw roll and the hand roll. Rob Hignell said, "I wrote the pages originally in 1987 for the British Canoe Union's Canoeing Handbook. In 1993 I converted them to html and posted them at www.stewart.edu (now defunct). On my return to England in 1996 I reworked them and put them on the current site in April last year. " Bob Tellefson http://www.zooid.com/sbpaddle Bob Tellefson High Quality Turnkey Systems & Consulting RCT Design Multi-platform systems our specialty 805-683-9717 Unix, Windows NT, Windows 95, Internet, Intranet 805-683-0717 (fax) http://www.zooid.com email: bob_at_zooid.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
These pages are great! The animated illustrations really clarify some of the movement: http://www.bristol.digitalcity.org/org/sports/canoe/kayakrol/rolling.htm But I confess that mostly I want to see if my email program turns this URL into an active link. ______________________________ George Bergeron, Secretary '99 Oswego Heritage Council www.europa.com/~heritage/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
OK. . . I've tried to print out the pages at http://www.algonet.se/~fedukatv/kayak.html no image. I'm able to save to disk and can print the copy text, but no pix (which are worth thousands of words). The site is bookmarked and seems like it might be online for a while. But I'd like to be able to see a hard copy of the whole page. The "page source" shows numerous gif's and evidently the print is laid over wallpaper (which is printing out as a blank). Pretty difficult to paste all this together into something that prints out as a hard copy. I thought we were going to leave the first pages online for a day or so. I calculate they were up for about eight hours. It's beginning to look like the most difficult part of learning to roll is finding printed material on the subject. Upside down and holding our breath, Geo./Svenn ______________________________ George Bergeron, Secretary '99 Oswego Heritage Council www.europa.com/~heritage/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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