Hi Chris, (and others shopping for binoculars suitable for use on the water), My inaccurate explanation of the properties of nitrogen gas notwithstanding, you WANT to shop for binoculars filled with nitrogen gas. This is a Good Thing. It keeps your lenses from fogging on the inside which can cause expensive trouble. If you shop for compact binocs and are willing to spend $300-$400, you'll likely be looking at the Swarovskis and Leicas. They both offer a wonderfully bright, crisp, high-contrast image. A number of salespeople have incorrectly told me that the Leica compacts (8x20 and 10x25) are waterproof. They are not, as is clearly explained in the Leica literature. The compact Leicas are merely splashproof. I wouldn't use them for kayaking. Not unless the very latest models incorporate waterproofing. Just a warning in case you should be assured they are waterproof. The larger Leicas ARE waterproof and "nitrogen purged" and very suitable for use on the water. If only they weren't so expensive. My choice would be the Leica Ultra 8x32. There's been some discussion about how to safely secure one's binoculars while kayaking. Chris, if you put you binocs on your deck, I'd suggest using a carabiner, or something, to clip the strap to the rigging so you won't lose them in a capsize. Note that Leica and others make floating binocular straps that will support your binocs in water should you drop them overboard. I haven't seen one in person, but the salesman at Eagle Optics said they are VERY bulky and, so, not very comfortable for regular use. I think they cost around $35 or so. I'd think they'd have to be pretty thick foam, or whatever, to float a pair of heavy Leicas in the water. I have also seen a shoulder harness system in the birding magazines that looks interesting. It might be suitable for safely carrying binocs on the water. I assume these have Fastex-type quick release buckles at the ends of the straps to make it easy to remove the binocs without climbing out of the harness. Anyone here used one of these binocular harness systems? Will it fit comfortably under a PFD? Would you recommend it for kayaking? What I've got Marie using with her Nikons right now is a carabiner around a shoulder strap on her PFD which allows her to quickly and easily clip her binocular strap through. The strap is worn normally around her neck and passes right across the carabiner high on her chest making it easy to clip into. She says it works fine and doesn't interfere with using the binocs. If she has an accident, the binocs will stay with her. I like the simplicity and effectiveness of this solution. Changing back and forth from a normal strap to a floating strap for water use would be a real nuisance on the Nikons. Any other ideas? Regards, -Bruce *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>Does anyone have a recommendation for waterproof binoculars? Hi Chris, Go to: http://www.gwi.net/sing/BVD.html This is a wonderful site where I learned more about binoculars than had I gone to the library. There are few sites I can say that about. I found it a most rewarding experience. I haven't checked into the site in awhile, so just in case the URL is changed, what you're looking for is BVD, or "Better View Desired." It's unclear to me from your post what you know about binoculars. I'll share some thoughts. Probably you know a good bit of it already, but maybe others might benefit. Most, if not all, waterproof binocs are "nitrogen purged." This is somewhat ambiguous. What the lens barrels are actually "purged" of is normal air. They are then FILLED with nitrogen and sealed with O-rings. Nitrogen is an inert gas that cannot hold moisture, and does not react to temperature changes, thus maintaining an even pressure. (In motorsports, Indy cars, for example, use nitrogen in their tires, rather than air. That way, hot or cold tire temperatures do not affect the inflation pressure because the nitrogen doesn't expand when the tires are running at their normal 200+ degrees operating temperature. Tire pressure greatly affects handling. Neat, huh?) Back to your binocs. Air holds moisture. Sudden temperature changes like bringing cold binocs into a warm room can cause condensation to form on the lens surfaces just like on a cold drink glass in hot, humid weather. If this should happen on the INSIDE surface of your lenses, you've got a serious problem. Water spots can form on the inside of the lenses, messing up your clear, sharp view. Having them dissassembled and cleaned would be prohibitively expensive. Filling the lens barrels with nitrogen solves this problem. The O-ring seals, etc. provide the waterproofness keeping the nitrogen in, and everything else out. And they'll never fog up on the INSIDE of the lens. External fogging is, of course, unavoidable at times, but presents no problem apart from the nuisance. Try not to breathe on the lenses in cold temps. You allude to the quality of Swarovskis and their superiority over, I assume, less expensive glass. The most important point to understand is that, basically, in the world of optics there is no magic, no miracles, and competition prevails. You get what you pay for. There are some bargains, but there are NO $200 binocs equalling $1000 binocs. Or, anything even close. Precision optics and housings are expensive. But, do you NEED that level of quality? Only you can say. I would never disparage someone's purchase of a $50 pair of binoculars. Is there life after Swarovski? You betcha! Try a pair of Leica Ultra 8x32 binocs. Probably can be had for $845 most anywhere, and about $100 less N.Y. photo house mail order. But, of course, they're all in the same general price range up there. The Swarovskis weren't yours? And you cannot justify their cost? We purchased a pair of Nikon's new compact 8x25 Mountaineer II ATBs. These must be one of the best bargains around. Nitrogen-filled and O-ring sealed lens barrels, guaranteed waterproof for the lifetime of (the owner or the binocs?). Amazingly good optics, with a crisp, high-contrast view. They employ a rugged, all-metal, rubber armored body. Their close focus is about 9 feet (VERY important to nature and bird watchers. Don't neglect to check this.). All for $169 from Eagle Optics in Madison, WI. They do a lot of (mostly?) mail order. Good reputation I've heard. We liked them on a personal visit. I don't have their 800 number handy at the moment. But, they're on the web, too. These are also available in a 10x25. Our local camera stores ONLY carry the 10 power models because that's all most consumers want, apparently. Talk to dealers. If you can get them to level with you, you'll probably find the majority acknowledge Nikon offers the best value for the money at most consumer price points. But, lately there's been a lot of activity from other manufacturers, so shop around and see. And read... I recommend the 8x binocs over the 10x, and so, I think, will the majority of experts. Handholding anything over 8x is difficult and tiring. A steady, sharp 8x image will beat a jiggly 10x image every time. But, the average consumer hasn't learned this and wants the highest power he can get. (But, let's not start a war here. Each to his own.) Standard marine binocs are what? 7x50, right? That's used on a big ship. Don't buy more than 8x binocs for use in a kayak. I don't believe there are any waterproof, affordable, image-stabilization binocs available. A very interesting issue is the question of whether to get 8x32, 8x42, or 8x50 binocs. In the past most of us, I suspect, have believed that a usefully superior image would be delivered by the glass with the bigger objective lenses. Check out the article addressing this on BVD. Increasingly, the consensus appears to be that the 8x30/32 size is the optimum balance of brightness and compactness for most daylight uses. The high-end binocs will last a lifetime and beyond. The difference in perfomance is, as you've suggested, discernible. I've never heard anyone complain that they'd wasted their money on quality binoculars. So, buy the best you can. Hope this has been helpful, Chris. Regards, -Bruce *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
M. Lenon wrote: > > >Does anyone have a recommendation for waterproof binoculars? > > Hi Chris, > > Go to: http://www.gwi.net/sing/BVD.html > > This is a wonderful site where I learned more about binoculars than had I > gone to the library. [snip] > Most, if not all, waterproof binocs are "nitrogen purged." This is somewhat > ambiguous. What the lens barrels are actually "purged" of is normal air. > They are then FILLED with nitrogen and sealed with O-rings. Nitrogen is an > inert gas that cannot hold moisture, and does not react to temperature > changes, thus maintaining an even pressure. (In motorsports, Indy cars, for > example, use nitrogen in their tires, rather than air. That way, hot or cold > tire temperatures do not affect the inflation pressure because the nitrogen > doesn't expand when the tires are running at their normal 200+ degrees > operating temperature. Tire pressure greatly affects handling. Neat, huh?) > Back to your binocs. Air holds moisture. Sudden temperature changes like > bringing cold binocs into a warm room can cause condensation to form on the > lens surfaces just like on a cold drink glass in hot, humid weather. [snip] Hi, Bruce: A couple of small corrections to an otherwise excellent treatise on binocs: 1. Nitrogen can hold water vapor, and in the same concentration as any other gas. Air has no special property which allows it to hold more water vapor. I think the binocs manufacturers purge (then fill) binocs with DRY nitrogen, which has had all moisture removed from it. Then, as long as the O-ring seal is not compromised, no moisture can enter the binocs, and, voila!, no condensation on the inside. Nitrogen is used as the purge gas (most likely) because dry nitrogen is useful commercially and is more available than dry air. 2. It's not true that nitrogen will not expand when heated (re: comment about Indy sports cars). The Ideal Gas Law applies equally to all gases (and, mixtures of gases) at the sorts of pressures and temperatures in tires. I am puzzled, nonetheless, why they would bother to inflate with nitrogen, unless they are concerned about oxygen-stimulated degradation of the tire rubber. That seems unlikely, given the short lifetime of Indy rubber. Thanks for an otherwise informative and authoritative treatise on binocs. (I just invested in a waterproof pair of Canon binocs, after many years of avoiding a dunking for my Nikon TravelLites.) -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR sea kayaker -- and chemist *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
This is not true. > Nitrogen is an >inert gas that cannot hold moisture, and does not react to temperature >changes, thus maintaining an even pressure. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 7:00 AM -0500 8/27/98, M. Lenon wrote: <snip> and does not react to temperature >changes, thus maintaining an even pressure. (In motorsports, Indy cars, for >example, use nitrogen in their tires, rather than air. That way, hot or cold >tire temperatures do not affect the inflation pressure because the nitrogen >doesn't expand when the tires are running at their normal 200+ degrees >operating temperature. Tire pressure greatly affects handling. Neat, huh?) Whatever happened to PV = nRT. I thought this applied to all gases. If the temperature goes up, either the volume has to increase or the presure does. Nick Schade Guillemot Kayaks c/o Newfound Woodworks, 67 Danforth Brook Rd, Bristol, NH 03222 (603) 744-6872 Schade_at_guillemot-kayaks.com http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/ >>>>"It's not just Art, It's a Craft!"<<<< *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I have been very satisfied with my waterproof binoculars that I have from Cabela's. They have taken several real dunkings and have been on extended wet trips. The good news is that they are inexpensive. But they seem a little heavy and definitely don't float. I have a pair of 10X24 (they also come in the 8X). They also come with LER (long eye relief) so you can keep your sunglasses on! The optics are probably not as good as a Leica or Nikon but they cost about $150. cabela's # is 800-237-4444 web site is http://www.cabelas.com Hal Wilton, NH Power your boat with carbohydrates, not hydrocarbons. http://www.jlc.net/~hlevin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I have a pair of Nikon Mountaineers, 8x24, rubber coated and waterproof. I have used them on the water and in very humid climates with no problem. Get a hold of the sales brochures from Eagle Optics and Christopher's, they advertise in Audubon magazine. Both have good information on selecting binoc's and give some good prices to compare with local prices. Also, talk to the folks at National Camera Exchange in Golden Valley, they know their stuff. I suppose if you are really concerned about life after Swarovski's you better get another pair. Dana "You don't need a weather man to tell which way the wind blows." Bob Dylan (some time in the 60's) :-) Christine Wein wrote: > > I am looking for binocs that can ride on deck, secured under > a bungee cord, and survive fresh water waves and the occasional > submersion due to rolling - without fogging and/or permanent > damage to optics. > > Does anyone have a recommendation for waterproof binoculars? > > I realize that "waterproof" is a rather nebulously defined > when discussing radios and I anticipate the same > when discussing optics. I have read that "nitrogen purged" > binocs with "o-rings" are waterproof. Anyone have experience > with such binocs? > > -chris > > On a related note: Is there life (being able to tolerate lesser > binocs) after using Swarovski's? > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Dave, Thanks for the patient and thorough correction. I always welcome the opportunity to learn more. I relied upon salespeople and consumer magazines for my "unscientific" understanding. I should know better. Then again, it's always possible I simply misunderstood. You have me scratching my head about the use of nitrogen in racing tires. It was my understanding that nitrogen maintained stable tire pressures. Tire pressure is critical in affecting the car's handling. Yet, you suggest that nitrogen cannot affect this meaningfully. Hmmm... Racing tires have a VERY short lifespan. By the end of the day they're done. So, I doubt, as you say, that nitrogen is employed for any reasons of extending tire life. Interesting as we may find this, others may be wondering why we're talking about nitrogen in tires, and just what DOES this have to do with sea kayaking anyway... They're not INTERESTED in putting racing tires on their kayaks, nitrogen-filled or otherwise. ; ) Your Nikon TravelLites are a perfect example of Nikon value at any given consumer price point. They are generally regarded as having the best optics available in that price range. But, dealers have told me, just don't get them wet. Water leaks into the interior through the central joint, not so much around the lens elements, I've been told. They're not waterproof, of course, and haven't been advertised as such. Great binoculars for the money. Regards, -Bruce > >A couple of small corrections to an otherwise excellent treatise on >binocs: > >1. Nitrogen can hold water vapor, and in the same concentration as any >other gas. Air has no special property which allows it to hold more >water vapor. I think the binocs manufacturers purge (then fill) binocs >with DRY nitrogen, which has had all moisture removed from it. Then, as >long as the O-ring seal is not compromised, no moisture can enter the >binocs, and, voila!, no condensation on the inside. Nitrogen is used as >the purge gas (most likely) because dry nitrogen is useful commercially >and is more available than dry air. > >2. It's not true that nitrogen will not expand when heated (re: comment >about Indy sports cars). The Ideal Gas Law applies equally to all gases >(and, mixtures of gases) at the sorts of pressures and temperatures in >tires. I am puzzled, nonetheless, why they would bother to inflate with >nitrogen, unless they are concerned about oxygen-stimulated degradation >of the tire rubber. That seems unlikely, given the short lifetime of >Indy rubber. > >Thanks for an otherwise informative and authoritative treatise on >binocs. (I just invested in a waterproof pair of Canon binocs, after >many years of avoiding a dunking for my Nikon TravelLites.) > >-- >Dave Kruger >Astoria, OR >sea kayaker -- and chemist *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 06:19 AM 8/28/98 -0500, you wrote: Chris, if you put you binocs on your deck, I'd suggest using >a carabiner, or something, to clip the strap to the rigging so you won't >lose them in a capsize. Note that Leica and others make floating binocular >straps that will support your binocs in water should you drop them >overboard. I haven't seen one in person, but the salesman at Eagle Optics >said they are VERY bulky and, so, not very comfortable for regular use. I >think they cost around $35 or so. I'd think they'd have to be pretty thick >foam, or whatever, to float a pair of heavy Leicas in the water. > >I have also seen a shoulder harness system in the birding magazines that >looks interesting. It might be suitable for safely carrying binocs on the >water. I assume these have Fastex-type quick release buckles at the ends of >the straps to make it easy to remove the binocs without climbing out of the >harness. > >Anyone here used one of these binocular harness systems? Will it fit >comfortably under a PFD? Would you recommend it for kayaking? > >What I've got Marie using with her Nikons right now is a carabiner around a >shoulder strap on her PFD which allows her to quickly and easily clip her >binocular strap through. The strap is worn normally around her neck and >passes right across the carabiner high on her chest making it easy to clip >into. She says it works fine and doesn't interfere with using the binocs. If >she has an accident, the binocs will stay with her. I like the simplicity >and effectiveness of this solution. Changing back and forth from a normal >strap to a floating strap for water use would be a real nuisance on the Nikons. > >Any other ideas? > >Regards, > >-Bruce > >_________________________________________ I have seen a product called "Binoc. Buddies" or a similar term at a marine store on Vancouver Island, BC. They have a neck strap and a bungie cord arrangement which fastens around your chest, and tension of the cords hold the binocs. from swinging around. I believe they also come with a plastic eyepiece protector. If your are interested in the 'buddies' you can contact Sidney Marine Supply by e-mail at: sms_at_mail.islandnet.com where they can advise you of the product name, and description etc. I have a floating strap attached to my 7 x 42 Bushnell Marine binocs. They are bright yellow, and highly visible. I suspect that small rectangular blocks of foam lie beneath the nylon strap. I do not find them cumbersome, as the binocs. are quite light (larger than compact models, but smaller than full size units). I have no trouble fitting these nitrogen purged lifetime guaranteed waterproof binocs. in their nylon case, and often take them along on cycling and hiking trips. Hope this helps, Rick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I took a serious look at binocs a year ago. I would recommend just getting a fairly cheap pair for kayaking - they are easy to scratch or lose in the water friendly work of kayaking. However, for a really nice pair, I would recomend the Canon Image Stabilizer series. Note these are NOT waterproof! They have a fairly poorly sealed battery compartment. But these glasses are fairly priced (much lower than Leica and company) and give almost as sharp images. The Canon images are actually sharper in real life because of the outstandng image stabilizer function. Check them out! With respect to the Fujinons, they are REALLY heavy! Do you want to lug around heavy binocs while kayaking? They are also hard to hold steady for good viewing in a kayak. And what if you roll and lose your Fujis or Leicas? That would be a sad day! Better to get a really good pair for non-kayaking events like the Canon IS series, and go with a cheap, light "disposable" pair for kayaking. - Scott Ives *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I'll have to cast my vote on the PENTAX brand. The wife and I have three pair of them, the 8X42(permantely attached to my wife), 7X50(very bright, but big and heavy), and the 8X24(weather resistant and brighter than most 7X35 I have looked through), these go with me everywhere. These are class optics that you can stare through for hours(I hunt with a bow, out here in open country"spot and stalk")and not get a headache. Look through a set. PS:I refuse to look through a set of ZEI$$! :-) James *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
- I'll put on my Audubon hat for a moment..... NJ Audubon Society, particularly the Cape May Bird Observatory, has handled binoculars through their shops for a long time and also has some pretty sophisticated users. They have a bunch of reviews, comments, and links to other sites at: http://www.nj.com/audubon/genlmenu/optics.html --Might be worth taking a look. Joe P. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I'll echo the recommendation for the Pentax 8x42. They're bright, clear, relatively light-weight, and have good eyepiece adjustments for glassed or naked eyes. I got these to replace an old pair of Swarowski 10x50, which were brilliant if you could lay perfectly still, elbows tightly affixed to your sides. janet in hou [where the binocs tend to fog over] Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:34:25 -0700 From: James Lofton <n5yyx_at_etsc.net> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Waterproof Binoculars I'll have to cast my vote on the PENTAX brand. The wife and I have three pair of them, the 8X42(permantely attached to my wife), 7X50(very bright, but big and heavy), and the 8X24(weather resistant and brighter than most 7X35 I have looked through), these go with me everywhere. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I've been away in South Africa but I did a lot of research and ordered a number of small light weight WATERPROOF binoculars for kayaking including 2 different brunton, bushnell, zeiss and eventually leica. All but the leicas were unacceptable, either optically or mechanically. I tried 2 pairs of the Zeiss classics and they were terribly distorted. I used the little Leicas in the game park and even at night and found that they compared or exceeded my 8x30 Steiners, and I could wear them all day. cya *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Bob Denton wrote: > > I've been away in South Africa but I did a lot of research and ordered a > number of small light weight WATERPROOF binoculars for kayaking including 2 > different brunton, bushnell, zeiss and eventually leica. All but the leicas > were unacceptable, either optically or mechanically. I tried 2 pairs of the > Zeiss classics and they were terribly distorted. > > I used the little Leicas in the game park and even at night and found that > they compared or exceeded my 8x30 Steiners, and I could wear them all day. > > cya Interesting. It's sad to think that a person needs to look through a whole shop full, to find one pair that works good. I read some of the tests from http://www.nj.com/audubon/genlmenu/optics.html and they seem to support what you said, and went on to say that one could find a "poor" set of "great" glasses. Just what you wanted, a $1000 set of optics that you love, UNTIL you look through that $300 set your buddy has and find they are better!! :>) I still stand my my pentax. James, "unless that's a jackal, instead of a coyote.., I must be in NM" (but I did see an emu in a pasture yesterday, so who knows) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Bob Denton wrote: > I used the little Leicas in the game park and even at night and found that > they compared or exceeded my 8x30 Steiners, and I could wear them all day. Hmmm. Price? e Elaine Harmon - eilidh_at_dc.seflin.org - eharmon_at_cs.miami.edu *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Bob, what is the Leica model name/number for your "little Leicas"? Thanks, Bob Shipman Houston, TX Bob Denton wrote: > > I've been away in South Africa but I did a lot of research and ordered a > number of small light weight WATERPROOF binoculars for kayaking including 2 > different brunton, bushnell, zeiss and eventually leica. All but the leicas > were unacceptable, either optically or mechanically. I tried 2 pairs of the > Zeiss classics and they were terribly distorted. > > I used the little Leicas in the game park and even at night and found that > they compared or exceeded my 8x30 Steiners, and I could wear them all day. > > cya > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I also own Pentaxes which I gave to my kids...no comparison between the jap and german optics. The issue with the Zeiss glasses was, in my opinion, they were from a defective batch. I was torn between the Swavorskies and the Leicas both +- $400. The primary parameter was they had to fit in a PFD pocket. -----Original Message----- From: James Lofton [mailto:n5yyx_at_etsc.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 10:42 AM To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net; Bob Denton Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Waterproof Binoculars Bob Denton wrote: > > I've been away in South Africa but I did a lot of research and ordered a > number of small light weight WATERPROOF binoculars for kayaking including 2 > different brunton, bushnell, zeiss and eventually leica. All but the leicas > were unacceptable, either optically or mechanically. I tried 2 pairs of the > Zeiss classics and they were terribly distorted. > > I used the little Leicas in the game park and even at night and found that > they compared or exceeded my 8x30 Steiners, and I could wear them all day. > > cya Interesting. It's sad to think that a person needs to look through a whole shop full, to find one pair that works good. I read some of the tests from http://www.nj.com/audubon/genlmenu/optics.html and they seem to support what you said, and went on to say that one could find a "poor" set of "great" glasses. Just what you wanted, a $1000 set of optics that you love, UNTIL you look through that $300 set your buddy has and find they are better!! :>) I still stand my my pentax. James, "unless that's a jackal, instead of a coyote.., I must be in NM" (but I did see an emu in a pasture yesterday, so who knows) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
After years of buying and using mediocre optics I finally decided to go out and buy a good pair of Steiners. Once you've owned good optics, it's impossible to go back to the medium grade Pentaxes and Nikons. Even my 13 and 12 year olds don't like em! cya -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Hal Levine Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 4:57 PM To: James Lofton Cc: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Waterproof Binoculars I have been very satisfied with my waterproof binoculars that I have from Cabela's. They have taken several real dunkings and have been on extended wet trips. The good news is that they are inexpensive. But they seem a little heavy and definitely don't float. I have a pair of 10X24 (they also come in the 8X). They also come with LER (long eye relief) so you can keep your sunglasses on! The optics are probably not as good as a Leica or Nikon but they cost about $150. cabela's # is 800-237-4444 web site is http://www.cabelas.com Hal Wilton, NH Power your boat with carbohydrates, not hydrocarbons. http://www.jlc.net/~hlevin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I unfortunately tend to agree with Bob's comments re good optics. As an impoverished doctoral student (some time ago) I used to use a pair of Zeiss Jena (east German, now defunct?) 8*30 roof prisms. Extremely good value, very nice image, but I owned two pairs and the prisms were knocked out of alignment in both. Admittedly at the time I was researching deer ecology in the field, and the bins took a lot of use and abuse, but I know of three other folk with the same model who had the same problem. Nice optics, poor build quality I guess. I now use a pair of Nikon 7x50 WPC (water proof compass). I really like these goggles (and would recommend them), but I made the mistake last year (thus the unfortunately above) of looking through an acquaintance's Leicas. 8x40's I think can't remember the model, but looking through them was a BIG mistake. The world truly does look better through leicas, and my pleasure looking through my Nikons is now somewhat diminished. Reminds me of the old story - feed your dog porridge and he's happy as a pig in s*#t. Feed him meat, and he'll never touch porridge again. But then again, AFAIR those Leica bins cost 800+ sterling, an opportunity cost of most of a new glass kayak. YGWYPF Cheers Colin Calder 57º19'N 2º10'W *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
It just says 8x20 BCA and I discovered they are NOT waterproof!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Matt Williams Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 9:10 AM To: Bob Denton Cc: jclowry_at_idt.net; PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net; James Lofton Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Waterproof Binoculars Bob, what is the Leica model name/number for your "little Leicas"? Thanks, Bob Shipman Houston, TX Bob Denton wrote: > > I've been away in South Africa but I did a lot of research and ordered a > number of small light weight WATERPROOF binoculars for kayaking including 2 > different brunton, bushnell, zeiss and eventually leica. All but the leicas > were unacceptable, either optically or mechanically. I tried 2 pairs of the > Zeiss classics and they were terribly distorted. > > I used the little Leicas in the game park and even at night and found that > they compared or exceeded my 8x30 Steiners, and I could wear them all day. > > cya > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 8/4/99 11:38:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BDenton_at_aquagulf.com writes: << It just says 8x20 BCA and I discovered they are NOT waterproof!! >> OK, Bob, now let me see if I have this right. You have been touting some very fancy (and obviously expensive) binoculars that fit in your PFD pocket AND THEY ARE NOT WATERPROOF?! Well, as I mentioned to you in a private post, I was ashamed to mention my $200 (got them on sale for $99 when they relocated) TASCO Marine binoculars. However, I tested them this morning and they do work fine, which means that despite the dunking we got off Cape Sable 18 months ago MY EL CHEAPOS ARE WATERPROOF!! In jest, Sandy Kramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Yes, infact, I just ordered the Swarovskys and will be sending the Leicas back. As for being waterproof, they are good to .3 bar which I guess equates to a few feed under water. Check out: http://www.swarovskioptik.com/nf/us/hunting/pockettech.htm The dealer who has been excellent is: http://www.hawkeyes-intl.com/ Cya! -----Original Message----- From: lenonm_at_milwaukee.tec.wi.us [mailto:lenonm_at_milwaukee.tec.wi.us] Sent: Monday, August 09, 1999 10:56 AM To: Bob Denton Subject: RE: Waterproof Binoculars >You were absolutely right! The dealer thought they were waterproof and has >offered to swap them for the Swarovskys. What do you think?? > Have you been able yet to confirm unequivocally whether the compact Swarovskis are actually sealed, nitrogen purged, and truly waterproof? I've tried sending this to you three times in recent days. My provider keeps returning it saying: " ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <BDenton_at_aquagulf.com> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 <BDenton_at_aquagulf.com>... Host unknown (Name server: aquagulf.com: host not found)" I hope you haven't actually received this message repeatedly. My provider is not the most reliable. -Bruce *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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