-----Original Message----- From: Patrick Maun [mailto:patrick.maun_at_duffy.com] Sent: Friday, August 14, 1998 2:55 PM To: PaddleWise Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Icom Revises Rating Dan Hagen wrote: >Sure they can--particularly if they are willing to provide a warranty >against failure due to water penetration. I'm sure that Icom will >repair or replace your unit under warranty. They did repair it under warranty. It's not the warranty that I'm complaining about, it's the fact that they present the M1 and M15 as having the same level of waterproofing. I did my research in the way that most of us do: I asked fellow paddlers, posted to the list, looked at various Internet specs and brochures, and finally, talked with the guys at US Marine. It just ticks me off that Icom is now claiming that the radio is "resistant" (the flyer is actually dated 1995) and not waterproof. I still know several people who have their M1's strapped to their PFD's and are rolling happily away with them. How long until these fail in the field, especially now that we (in the Midwest) are getting closer to the more dangerous fall season on Lake Superior. >If you want to avoid the use of a baggie, I recommend that you consider >an M15 or a Navico Axis. After I spent $250 getting the M1 just a few months ago? Anyone have an idea of how long after purchase US Marine will exchange a radio? And what is the price of the M15? And is the M15 *really* more waterproof than the M1? Too many questions, why can't the damn thing just work like it's supposed to. Hrumpf. -Patrick ************************************************************************** * While paddling in the Nipigon Bay area of Lake Superior last week, I noticed that my Icom IC-M1 had some condensation on the inside of the LCD display. For convenience, ever since I bought it last spring I had been carrying it on trips unprotected in a pocket of my PFD. During these trips I had frequently rolled and/or laid in the water, using a sculling brace, to cool off. This was the first sign of leakage. For the rest of the trip I carried it inside the day compartment of my Romany. When I got home, I put the radio in a sunny window to drive out the moisture. It still works, but I have decided to order a waterproof bag for it. On thinking it over, I wonder if it wasn't water vapor rather than liquid water that penetrated the seal, in the same way that water vapor passes through Goretex but not water in the liquid form. If so, it would be possible for the radio to pass the JIS-7 immersion test even though it admitted water vapor. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Chuck Holst *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
CHUCK wrote: >On thinking it over, I wonder if it wasn't water vapor rather than liquid >water that penetrated the seal, in the same way that water vapor passes >through Goretex but not water in the liquid form. If so, it would be >possible for the radio to pass the JIS-7 immersion test even though it >admitted water vapor. Hmmm, I know when my failed it wasn't due to vapor as we were only on the water for a couple of hours. I actually purchased a cheap dry bag when I bought the radio (one of those $7 jobs) and am keeping the radio in that for now. What dry bags for radios (or specifically the M1) do people recommend? On another completely unrelated note. I stopped at Rutabaga on the way back from Chicago and purchased a Trangia 27 stove with non-stick pots. Boy, I am hooked, this thing is great. Who knew one could get so excited about a stove. -Patrick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Patrick, Someone needs to stand up for Icom on this waterproof radio discussion. I just recently purchased the M15 instead of the M1. Based on past discussions on this list, I too thought the M1 was waterproof and was planning to buy it. Before making the purchase, however, I carefully read over the Icom brochures and web site, and found they both stated very clearly that the M1 was only water resistant. Based on this fact, I bought the much more expensive but truely waterproof M15. I found the Icom literature very clear on this point. I was disappointed that the less expensive M1 didn't provide the water proof qualities a kayaker needs, but I can't understand blaming Icom for this. Their literature was quite clear that the M1 is water resistent --- not water proof. If you purchased your radio based on old literature, that's a different problem, but not one you can blame on Icom. If the distributor you purchased the radio from didn't have up to date literature of if you didn't take the effort to get the up to date information, that's not Icom's fault. I feel sorry for you having spent money on a radio that doesn't meet your needs. But we live in a "let the buyer beware" society so you can't blame the manufacturer because you didn't do your homework. In fact, you should be singing praises for Icom. You used the product incorrectly and they still honored the warantee. That's quite decent of them. --Tim -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Maun [mailto:patrick.maun_at_duffy.com] Sent: Friday, August 14, 1998 2:55 PM To: PaddleWise Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Icom Revises Rating Dan Hagen wrote: >Sure they can--particularly if they are willing to provide a warranty >against failure due to water penetration. I'm sure that Icom will >repair or replace your unit under warranty. They did repair it under warranty. It's not the warranty that I'm complaining about, it's the fact that they present the M1 and M15 as having the same level of waterproofing. I did my research in the way that most of us do: I asked fellow paddlers, posted to the list, looked at various Internet specs and brochures, and finally, talked with the guys at US Marine. It just ticks me off that Icom is now claiming that the radio is "resistant" (the flyer is actually dated 1995) and not waterproof. I still know several people who have their M1's strapped to their PFD's and are rolling happily away with them. How long until these fail in the field, especially now that we (in the Midwest) are getting closer to the more dangerous fall season on Lake Superior. >If you want to avoid the use of a baggie, I recommend that you consider >an M15 or a Navico Axis. After I spent $250 getting the M1 just a few months ago? Anyone have an idea of how long after purchase US Marine will exchange a radio? And what is the price of the M15? And is the M15 *really* more waterproof than the M1? Too many questions, why can't the damn thing just work like it's supposed to. Hrumpf. -Patrick ************************************************************************** * While paddling in the Nipigon Bay area of Lake Superior last week, I noticed that my Icom IC-M1 had some condensation on the inside of the LCD display. For convenience, ever since I bought it last spring I had been carrying it on trips unprotected in a pocket of my PFD. During these trips I had frequently rolled and/or laid in the water, using a sculling brace, to cool off. This was the first sign of leakage. For the rest of the trip I carried it inside the day compartment of my Romany. When I got home, I put the radio in a sunny window to drive out the moisture. It still works, but I have decided to order a waterproof bag for it. On thinking it over, I wonder if it wasn't water vapor rather than liquid water that penetrated the seal, in the same way that water vapor passes through Goretex but not water in the liquid form. If so, it would be possible for the radio to pass the JIS-7 immersion test even though it admitted water vapor. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Chuck Holst *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
The following statements are quoted verbatim from the Icom Web site at http://www.icomamerica.com/marine/handhelds/m1.html: >IC-M1 > >HANDHELD VHF MARINE TRANSCEIVER > >Waterproof protection you can count on! > > >Waterproof construction > >The IC-M1 is waterproof! Designed for reliable operation under severe >marine conditions. Torrential downpours, heavy seas - no problem for >this transceiver. And on another page: >Submersible JIS-7 rating (withstands submersion for 30 minutes at depth of 1 meter) Chuck Holst -----Original Message----- From: Mattson, Timothy G [mailto:timothy.g.mattson_at_intel.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 12:43 PM To: 'paddlewise' Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Waterproof radios Patrick, Someone needs to stand up for Icom on this waterproof radio discussion. I just recently purchased the M15 instead of the M1. Based on past discussions on this list, I too thought the M1 was waterproof and was planning to buy it. Before making the purchase, however, I carefully read over the Icom brochures and web site, and found they both stated very clearly that the M1 was only water resistant. Based on this fact, I bought the much more expensive but truely waterproof M15. I found the Icom literature very clear on this point. I was disappointed that the less expensive M1 didn't provide the water proof qualities a kayaker needs, but I can't understand blaming Icom for this. Their literature was quite clear that the M1 is water resistent --- not water proof. If you purchased your radio based on old literature, that's a different problem, but not one you can blame on Icom. If the distributor you purchased the radio from didn't have up to date literature of if you didn't take the effort to get the up to date information, that's not Icom's fault. I feel sorry for you having spent money on a radio that doesn't meet your needs. But we live in a "let the buyer beware" society so you can't blame the manufacturer because you didn't do your homework. In fact, you should be singing praises for Icom. You used the product incorrectly and they still honored the warantee. That's quite decent of them. --Tim -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Maun [mailto:patrick.maun_at_duffy.com] Sent: Friday, August 14, 1998 2:55 PM To: PaddleWise Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Icom Revises Rating Dan Hagen wrote: >Sure they can--particularly if they are willing to provide a warranty >against failure due to water penetration. I'm sure that Icom will >repair or replace your unit under warranty. They did repair it under warranty. It's not the warranty that I'm complaining about, it's the fact that they present the M1 and M15 as having the same level of waterproofing. I did my research in the way that most of us do: I asked fellow paddlers, posted to the list, looked at various Internet specs and brochures, and finally, talked with the guys at US Marine. It just ticks me off that Icom is now claiming that the radio is "resistant" (the flyer is actually dated 1995) and not waterproof. I still know several people who have their M1's strapped to their PFD's and are rolling happily away with them. How long until these fail in the field, especially now that we (in the Midwest) are getting closer to the more dangerous fall season on Lake Superior. >If you want to avoid the use of a baggie, I recommend that you consider >an M15 or a Navico Axis. After I spent $250 getting the M1 just a few months ago? Anyone have an idea of how long after purchase US Marine will exchange a radio? And what is the price of the M15? And is the M15 *really* more waterproof than the M1? Too many questions, why can't the damn thing just work like it's supposed to. Hrumpf. -Patrick ************************************************************************** * While paddling in the Nipigon Bay area of Lake Superior last week, I noticed that my Icom IC-M1 had some condensation on the inside of the LCD display. For convenience, ever since I bought it last spring I had been carrying it on trips unprotected in a pocket of my PFD. During these trips I had frequently rolled and/or laid in the water, using a sculling brace, to cool off. This was the first sign of leakage. For the rest of the trip I carried it inside the day compartment of my Romany. When I got home, I put the radio in a sunny window to drive out the moisture. It still works, but I have decided to order a waterproof bag for it. On thinking it over, I wonder if it wasn't water vapor rather than liquid water that penetrated the seal, in the same way that water vapor passes through Goretex but not water in the liquid form. If so, it would be possible for the radio to pass the JIS-7 immersion test even though it admitted water vapor. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Chuck Holst ************************************************************************** * PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ************************************************************************** * ************************************************************************** * PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ************************************************************************** * ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from multitech.com by multitech.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.2 (Build 22005) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Sep02.124352.1944.332688; Wed, 02 Sep 1998 12:43:52 -0500 Received: from ns1.intelenet.net ([204.182.160.31]) by gateway.multitech.com with ESMTP id <16129>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:43:42 -0500 Received: (from majordom_at_localhost) by ns1.intelenet.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA04446 Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.intelenet.net (intelenet.net [204.182.160.1]) by ns1.intelenet.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA04442 Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from calliope1.fm.intel.com (calliope1.fm.intel.com [132.233.247.10]) by ns.intelenet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01374 for <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fmsmsx29.FM.INTEL.COM (fmsmsx29.fm.intel.com [132.233.42.29]) by calliope1.fm.intel.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA12519 for <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:37:31 GMT Received: by FMSMSX29 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <RHM6VWZ0>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:37:30 -0700 Message-ID: <A96613FBFCC8D111AC3F00A0C96B540101057CDB_at_FMSMSX42> From: "Mattson, Timothy G" <timothy.g.mattson_at_intel.com> To: "'paddlewise'" <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Waterproof radios Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:37:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Precedence: list X-Listname: Paddlewise Mailing List X-Subscription-Info: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Thanks for the backup there Chuck. I did do my homework. I checked the website carefully (which Chuck has quoted), read the literature, talked with the store (US Marine) and other paddlers. If the website now states water resistant, then that is a recent change. -Patrick CHUCK wrote: > >The following statements are quoted verbatim from the Icom Web site at >http://www.icomamerica.com/marine/handhelds/m1.html: > >>IC-M1 >> >>HANDHELD VHF MARINE TRANSCEIVER >> >>Waterproof protection you can count on! >> >> >>Waterproof construction >> >>The IC-M1 is waterproof! Designed for reliable operation under severe >>marine conditions. Torrential downpours, heavy seas - no problem for >>this transceiver. > >And on another page: > >>Submersible JIS-7 rating (withstands submersion for 30 minutes at depth >of 1 meter) > >Chuck Holst > > > -----Original Message----- >From: Mattson, Timothy G [mailto:timothy.g.mattson_at_intel.com] >Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 12:43 PM >To: 'paddlewise' >Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Waterproof radios > > >Patrick, > >Someone needs to stand up for Icom on this waterproof >radio discussion. > >I just recently purchased the M15 instead of the M1. Based on >past discussions on this list, I too thought the M1 was >waterproof and was planning to buy it. Before making the >purchase, however, I carefully read over the Icom brochures >and web site, and found they both stated very clearly that the >M1 was only water resistant. Based on this fact, I bought the >much more expensive but truely waterproof M15. > >I found the Icom literature very clear on this point. I was >disappointed that the less expensive M1 didn't provide the >water proof qualities a kayaker needs, but I can't understand >blaming Icom for this. Their literature was quite clear that >the M1 is water resistent --- not water proof. > >If you purchased your radio based on old literature, that's a >different problem, but not one you can blame on Icom. >If the distributor you purchased the radio from didn't have >up to date literature of if you didn't take the effort to get the >up to date information, that's not Icom's fault. > >I feel sorry for you having spent money on a radio that >doesn't meet your needs. But we live in a "let the buyer beware" >society so you can't blame the manufacturer because you >didn't do your homework. > >In fact, you should be singing praises for Icom. You used >the product incorrectly and they still honored the warantee. >That's quite decent of them. > > --Tim > > -----Original Message----- >From: Patrick Maun [mailto:patrick.maun_at_duffy.com] >Sent: Friday, August 14, 1998 2:55 PM >To: PaddleWise >Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Icom Revises Rating > >Dan Hagen wrote: >>Sure they can--particularly if they are willing to provide a warranty >>against failure due to water penetration. I'm sure that Icom will >>repair or replace your unit under warranty. >They did repair it under warranty. It's not the warranty that I'm >complaining >about, it's the fact that they present the M1 and M15 as having the same >level >of waterproofing. I did my research in the way that most of us do: I asked >fellow paddlers, posted to the list, looked at various Internet specs and >brochures, and finally, talked with the guys at US Marine. It just ticks >me >off that Icom is now claiming that the radio is "resistant" (the flyer is >actually dated 1995) and not waterproof. I still know several people who >have >their M1's strapped to their PFD's and are rolling happily away with them. >How >long until these fail in the field, especially now that we (in the >Midwest) >are getting closer to the more dangerous fall season on Lake Superior. > >>If you want to avoid the use of a baggie, I recommend that you consider >>an M15 or a Navico Axis. >After I spent $250 getting the M1 just a few months ago? Anyone have an >idea of how long after purchase US Marine will exchange a radio? And what >is the price of the M15? And is the M15 *really* more waterproof than the >M1? Too many questions, why can't the damn thing just work like it's >supposed to. Hrumpf. > > -Patrick > >******************************************************************** >****** >* > >While paddling in the Nipigon Bay area of Lake Superior last week, I >noticed that my Icom IC-M1 had some condensation on the inside of the >LCD display. For convenience, ever since I bought it last spring I had >been carrying it on trips unprotected in a pocket of my PFD. During these >trips I had frequently rolled and/or laid in the water, using a sculling >brace, to cool off. This was the first sign of leakage. For the rest of >the trip I carried it inside the day compartment of my Romany. When I got >home, I put the radio in a sunny window to drive out the moisture. It >still works, but I have decided to order a waterproof bag for it. > >On thinking it over, I wonder if it wasn't water vapor rather than liquid >water that penetrated the seal, in the same way that water vapor passes >through Goretex but not water in the liquid form. If so, it would be >possible for the radio to pass the JIS-7 immersion test even though it >admitted water vapor. > >Does anyone have any thoughts on this? > >Chuck Holst > > >******************************************************************** >****** * >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >******************************************************************** >****** * > >******************************************************************** >****** * >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >****************************************** * ------ Message Heade >multitech > > ------ Message Header Follows ------ >Received: from multitech.com by multitech.com > (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.2 (Build 22005) for Windows NT(tm)) > id AA-1998Sep02.124352.1944.332688; Wed, 02 Sep 1998 12:43:52 -0500 >Received: from ns1.intelenet.net ([204.182.160.31]) by gateway.multitech.com >with ESMTP id <16129>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:43:42 -0500 >Received: (from majordom_at_localhost) > by ns1.intelenet.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA04446 > Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:37:43 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from ns.intelenet.net (intelenet.net [204.182.160.1]) > by ns1.intelenet.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA04442 > Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:37:34 -0700 (PDT) > Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fmsmsx >[132.233.247.10]) > by ns.intelenet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01374 > for <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:37:32 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from fmsmsx29.FM.INTEL.COM (fmsmsx29.fm.intel.com [132.233.42.29]) > by calliope1.fm.intel.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA12519 > for <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:37:31 GMT >Received: by FMSMSX29 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) > id <RHM6VWZ0>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:37:30 -0700 >Message-ID: <A96613FBFCC8D111AC3F00A0C96B540101057CDB_at_FMSMSX42> >From: "Mattson, Timothy G" <timothy.g.mattson_at_intel.com> >To: "'paddlewise'" <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> >Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Waterproof radios >Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:37:29 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Sender: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Precedence: list >X-Listname: Paddlewise Mailing List >X-Subscription-Info: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Nope, I cut and pasted that info from Icom's Web page today. The radio was indeed rated water-resistant by Icom last year, but that was changed to waterproof after one of the sailing magazines gave it the immersion test, though I doubt that the design changed any. E&B Marine/West Marine gives it the same highly waterproof rating as the M15 in their catalogs, and they have to deal with the returns. It is still a good radio. When I removed the battery pack I found no water in the battery contacts. Chuck Holst -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Maun [mailto:patrick.maun_at_duffy.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 2:04 PM To: paddlewise Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Waterproof radios Thanks for the backup there Chuck. I did do my homework. I checked the website carefully (which Chuck has quoted), read the literature, talked with the store (US Marine) and other paddlers. If the website now states water resistant, then that is a recent change. -Patrick CHUCK wrote: > >The following statements are quoted verbatim from the Icom Web site at >http://www.icomamerica.com/marine/handhelds/m1.html: > >>IC-M1 >> >>HANDHELD VHF MARINE TRANSCEIVER >> >>Waterproof protection you can count on! >> >> >>Waterproof construction >> >>The IC-M1 is waterproof! Designed for reliable operation under severe >>marine conditions. Torrential downpours, heavy seas - no problem for >>this transceiver. > >And on another page: > >>Submersible JIS-7 rating (withstands submersion for 30 minutes at depth >of 1 meter) > >Chuck Holst > > > -----Original Message----- >From: Mattson, Timothy G [mailto:timothy.g.mattson_at_intel.com] >Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 12:43 PM >To: 'paddlewise' >Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Waterproof radios > > >Patrick, > >Someone needs to stand up for Icom on this waterproof >radio discussion. > >I just recently purchased the M15 instead of the M1. Based on >past discussions on this list, I too thought the M1 was >waterproof and was planning to buy it. Before making the >purchase, however, I carefully read over the Icom brochures >and web site, and found they both stated very clearly that the >M1 was only water resistant. Based on this fact, I bought the >much more expensive but truely waterproof M15. > >I found the Icom literature very clear on this point. I was >disappointed that the less expensive M1 didn't provide the >water proof qualities a kayaker needs, but I can't understand >blaming Icom for this. Their literature was quite clear that >the M1 is water resistent --- not water proof. > >If you purchased your radio based on old literature, that's a >different problem, but not one you can blame on Icom. >If the distributor you purchased the radio from didn't have >up to date literature of if you didn't take the effort to get the >up to date information, that's not Icom's fault. > >I feel sorry for you having spent money on a radio that >doesn't meet your needs. But we live in a "let the buyer beware" >society so you can't blame the manufacturer because you >didn't do your homework. > >In fact, you should be singing praises for Icom. You used >the product incorrectly and they still honored the warantee. >That's quite decent of them. > > --Tim > > -----Original Message----- >From: Patrick Maun [mailto:patrick.maun_at_duffy.com] >Sent: Friday, August 14, 1998 2:55 PM >To: PaddleWise >Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Icom Revises Rating > >Dan Hagen wrote: >>Sure they can--particularly if they are willing to provide a warranty >>against failure due to water penetration. I'm sure that Icom will >>repair or replace your unit under warranty. >They did repair it under warranty. It's not the warranty that I'm >complaining >about, it's the fact that they present the M1 and M15 as having the same >level >of waterproofing. I did my research in the way that most of us do: I asked >fellow paddlers, posted to the list, looked at various Internet specs and >brochures, and finally, talked with the guys at US Marine. It just ticks >me >off that Icom is now claiming that the radio is "resistant" (the flyer is >actually dated 1995) and not waterproof. I still know several people who >have >their M1's strapped to their PFD's and are rolling happily away with them. >How >long until these fail in the field, especially now that we (in the >Midwest) >are getting closer to the more dangerous fall season on Lake Superior. > >>If you want to avoid the use of a baggie, I recommend that you consider >>an M15 or a Navico Axis. >After I spent $250 getting the M1 just a few months ago? Anyone have an >idea of how long after purchase US Marine will exchange a radio? And what >is the price of the M15? And is the M15 *really* more waterproof than the >M1? Too many questions, why can't the damn thing just work like it's >supposed to. Hrumpf. > > -Patrick > >******************************************************************** >****** >* > >While paddling in the Nipigon Bay area of Lake Superior last week, I >noticed that my Icom IC-M1 had some condensation on the inside of the >LCD display. For convenience, ever since I bought it last spring I had >been carrying it on trips unprotected in a pocket of my PFD. During these >trips I had frequently rolled and/or laid in the water, using a sculling >brace, to cool off. This was the first sign of leakage. For the rest of >the trip I carried it inside the day compartment of my Romany. When I got >home, I put the radio in a sunny window to drive out the moisture. It >still works, but I have decided to order a waterproof bag for it. > >On thinking it over, I wonder if it wasn't water vapor rather than liquid >water that penetrated the seal, in the same way that water vapor passes >through Goretex but not water in the liquid form. If so, it would be >possible for the radio to pass the JIS-7 immersion test even though it >admitted water vapor. > >Does anyone have any thoughts on this? > >Chuck Holst > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>While paddling in the Nipigon Bay area of Lake Superior last week, I >noticed that my Icom IC-M1 had some condensation on the inside of the >LCD display. Might it be possible that this condensation was not leakage, but the same sort of fogging that can happen to optical lenses, such as binoculars, when subjected to sudden temperature changes. Cool the radio by immersing it in Lake Superior, then bring it out into the warm sun, and maybe that's what happened? Are waterproof radios filled with dry nitrogen before they're sealed like waterproof binoculars? I don't know. What do you think? BTW, what's the MSRP on an ICOM M15, and what's the typical discounted price? -Bruce *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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