I ask a serious, specific question about paddling and conditioning and so far I've received two replies, both wise-assed and not helpful. Is this what paddlewise is all about? Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
-----Original Message----- From: Khiak Mann [SMTP:khiak_at_mailexcite.com] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 1998 9:51 AM To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: [Paddlewise] training/conditioning I ask a serious, specific question about paddling and conditioning and so far I've received two replies, both wise-assed and not helpful. Is this what paddlewise is all about? Paddlewise gets way too much "wise-assed" commentary. Fortunately, that's not what Paddlewise is all about. Buried in the noise is plenty of valuable information. I didn't write about your conditioning question earlier since I'm not really not an expert in this area. I can add a little to the discussion, however. I have been paddling for just under 2 years and am totally obsessed with the sport. I paddle alot -- three to seven times a week. It has become my major form of exercise. I paddle up stream in the Willamette river (a slow moving River in Western Oregon) and try to get into the ocean or in some white water once a week. My approach to conditioning was to go out often and paddle as hard as I could for an hour or two. It seemed to work and I saw lots of results. My body firmed up and my endurance imporved to the point where I can paddle circles around most kayakers I know. It also led to a pretty bad over use injury. At last years San Juan Challenge (a 2 day 40 mile race) I blew out the tendons in my left elbow. Only now, six months later, am I able to paddle as agressively as I like but still, after an hour of agressive paddling, I need to back off to keep the elbow from getting sore. I've talked to many people about my problem -- including endurance athletes in running and bicyling. From these conversations, I'm convinced that my injury resulted form incorrect training. Rather than paddling as fast as I can for an hour or so, I need to paddle slower but for longer periods of time. Basically, tendons take a long time to build up strength. Its still important to train your body to handle intense effort, but you do this with interval training. Here's what I do. Some of my paddlling I do with other people. When I do this, I just maintain a brisk pace for a long time and enjoy the company. A couple times a week, however, I do a serious conditioning workout alone. For this workout, I paddle for 15 minutes or so to completely warm up. Then I do a number of 10 to 15 minute intervals where I paddle as hard as I can physically paddle. I focus on technique since my goal is to train myself to push hard at races. I then go back to a slow pace for 5 to 10 minutes to recover. I then repeat with another intense interval. I try and do 4 of these intervals during the workout, but I sometimes increase the number of intervals to make for a harder workout. With this technique, I've come back from my injury and am back in racing form for short distancees. I use my brisk, steady workouts to increase my milage and intervals to get ready to race. I am going to increase the time spent on my steady workouts until I can safely and regularly paddles at a brisk and steady pace for three hours (I like 20 miles races which take about three to three and a half hours). The big thing, is avoid the tendency to go at 100% steadilly for the whole workout. I've talked to marathon runners about training and they are shocked I didn't more seriously injure myself. Good luck, --Tim *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Khiak Mann wrote: > > I ask a serious, specific question about paddling and conditioning > and so far I've received two replies, both wise-assed and not helpful. > > Is this what paddlewise is all about? > Only when it's working correctly. Oops, that's three. Steve -- Test Scoring & Reporting Services Sometimes, you never can University of Georgia always tell what you Athens, GA 30602-5593 least expect the most. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Hi, To get into better general condition and enjoy paddling and life in general much more get Covert Bailly's book "Fit or Fat". I guess the idea is to gain more lean body mass, i.e. muscle, and pare the weight down. I think that cross training makes a lot of sense, and it seem that is what you are doing. Hope that helps, Will Sahli , ************************************************************************ *** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ************************************************************************ *** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>I ask a serious, specific question about paddling and conditioning and so >far I've received two replies, both wise-assed and not helpful. > >Is this what paddlewise is all about? Actually, you're getting pretty good advice, even if it's delivered with a bit of humor. I'm 58 myself and can attest to the fact that the only way to stay in shape is to eat properly, stay active, and exercise regularly. All things in moderation, of course. Bob -------------------------------------------------- Robert C. Perkins, Ph.D. Associate Dean for Research and Planning Methodist College, Fayetteville, NC 28311 910-630-7037 rperkins_at_methodist.edu *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 09:50 AM 10/15/98 -0700, "Khiak Mann" <khiak_at_mailexcite.com> wrote: >I ask a serious, specific question about paddling and conditioning and so far I've received two replies, both wise-assed and not helpful. > >Is this what paddlewise is all about? > If you think this is what Paddlewise is all about, you haven't been reading the other posts. There's been recent serious discussions about kayak design, short boats vs. long boats, boat speed, rotator cuff injuries, kayak seats, Canadian Ballast Rocks TM (sorry, couldn't resist), and a number of other subjects. I'm sorry that you didn't get some serious replies to your question. I've been in the same boat. You wonder why you're being singled out to be ignored, right? I've found that phrasing the question somewhat differently can sometimes elicit quite a bit of response even though it's essentially the same question. After you've been on the list for awhile, you learn how to fool your fellow list members into responding. For example, I could ask what people do about relieving themselves on the water. However, that probably wouldn't get many serious answers, mostly because there aren't many subjects that haven't been around the block a couple of times already. Anyway, instead I would post something like: "I've been doing wet exits when I just can't 'hold it' any longer and have got to empty my non-too-large bladder. I can't believe that everyone does this but I don't know of any other way when there is no land nearby. Though I'm getting great practice with re-entry, the water is getting cold this time of year and not only am I risking hypothermia but I'm also having trouble 'going' quickly once I've hit that cold water. Does anyone have a better way? Signed: Looking for a warmer toilet". See what I mean? Half the list will come out of the woods and answer this one. Even some of the lurkers will be drawn out, if only with a "me too". Anyway, give it a try the next time you'd like to extract some useful information out of us. I'd be surprised if it doesn't work. Bill Ridlon Southern Maine Sea Kayaking Network *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
> From: outdoors_at_biddeford.com At 09:50 AM 10/15/98 -0700, "Khiak Mann" <khiak_at_mailexcite.com> wrote: > I ask a serious, specific question about paddling and conditioning and so > far I've received two replies, both wise-assed and not helpful. > > Is this what paddlewise is all about? You began your original message with: > Mostly a test here to see if I'm all connected to the list. Hey, you *did* it and welcome! So, maybe everyone who saw your message figured you were testing to see if you were connected? Let's see, Clyde suggested consistency and moderation and recommended cardiovascular activity like walking or jogging. He also suggested wrist weights among other things. Wise ass? Well... whadya expect from Clyde in light of how little we at PaddleWise pay him for his advice to new subscribers. (move over, Steve ;-) Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Khiak Mann wrote > > I ask a serious, specific question about paddling and > conditioning and so far I've received two replies, both > wise-assed and not helpful. > > Is this what paddlewise is all about? > Lighten up Khiak Mann (hey NICE name, real serious and specific :-)) YGWYPF. Roll on the wise-assed replies :-) Cheers Colin Calder 57º19'N 2º10'W *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
> >I have been a casual canoeist for 35 years (finally need to get serious >about my fun, I guess), and am dying to try kayaking. Some potential >handicaps are size (I'm 6'3" tall, weigh 285, and have size 15 feet) and >the need to research everything to death before I jump in with both very >large feet. I'm looking for suggestions on sea kayaks as I live very >close to Chicago and so to Lake Michigan; also would like to gain enough >expertise to tackle Superior for an extended trip (in several years, as >I hopefully progress in skill). > >Any input or advise, be it wise, wiseass, or halfass, would help. > I just got into sea kayaking myself and am also on the larger side (6'2", 235, size 12 feet). My first kayaking experience was last July in North Carolina. The rental company, Kitty Hawk Sports, was using Perception Acadias for their trips. I knew that late in the summer I wouldn't have much chance to paddle a large variety of boats and even if I did, I really lacked the paddling ability to compare them. Also, I figured that the rental company picked a boat that was good for novice paddlers in protected waters (mainly where I'll be paddling). So I ordered an Acadia when I got back. It's a very stable plastic boat and it's plenty big enough for me. In fact after paddling some other boats it feels very large. I'm not sure how those size 15 feet would fit in there though. Now I'm planning on building a Pygmy Coho this winter and using the Acadia for a second boat to take friends out in. Luke ---------------------------------------------------------------- Luke Hoffman lukeh_at_hiwaay.net These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. Groucho Marx *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
OOps - subject of my last message should have been New Kid on the block. But anyhow on training and conditioning: I've been doing a program at the gym called Cycle Reebok. Its an aerobics class on exercise bikes. It usually leaves me a burnt out shell of a man. In fact, I've taken to calling the instructors Cycle Nazis (not to their faces of course - I don't want to get my butt kicked). But it really is an excellent aerobic workout. I know there are several versions of this kind class from other organizations. They're definitely worth looking into. Luke ---------------------------------------------------------------- Luke Hoffman lukeh_at_hiwaay.net These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. Groucho Marx *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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