Hi, All I was fulfilling some back issue orders for my newsletter when my eyes feel on the lead story of the May/June 1993 one, an interview with Dr. Lindemann, who had crossed the Atlantic in the 1950s in a folding kayak. So I started reading what I had written back then and realized that a lot of what he says applies to so many of the topics that permeate this listserver and others as well. At the risk of getting people annoyed with me (you would be surprised!!), I am reproducing it here in its entirety. I think John Winters of Paddlewise would like it as it seems to jibe with his own philosophical bent. It also has some messages for the NYCkayaker crowd about being prepared and knowing when to quit. And for the CPAkayaker crowd, they are preparing for the visit of a Greenlander, Maligiaq Padilla; this may give them some insights too. best, ralph diaz ______________________________ A TALK WITH DR. LINDEMANN: INSIGHTS ON VOYAGE How does one approach a near-deity? I recently had a chance to find out when I telephoned Dr. Hannes Lindemann to interview him for an article for the Fall 1993 issue of Sea Kayaker. For many of us Dr. Lindemann holds a high position in the pantheon of seafaring in small boats. His epic 1956 crossing of the Atlantic is particularly inspiring for us folding kayakers because it was accomplished in a folding Klepper Aerius double not appreciably different from the current stock model and strikingly similar to double Feathercrafts, Folbots and Nautiraids. You don’t have to be a Klepper enthusiast to revere Dr. Lindemann and his achievement. Lindemann’s voyage was one of the first things I had heard about when I first wandered into the realm of folding kayaks. Indeed, the ability of his folding kayak to take on the rigors of the Atlantic was a key selling point that convinced me to buy one (not that I was going to do anything like it, but it was good to know, just in case). At that time, I searched all over New York City to buy a copy of his book, Alone At Sea, with no success. A few months later, I found one in an antique book store in Nashville of all places. In pristine shape and for just $7; inlanders just didn’t know the gem they had in their possession. Like others of you, I regularly re-read the book each year because it is a tale worth reliving over and over again. So, I was finally going to talk with Dr. Lindemann for an article. And I was losing my nerve. What do you say to someone you and others idolize and are reminded of every time you touch the soft fabric of your boat? You procrastinate. I cleaned house, did some plumbing and worked on the car. My wife was hoping I would drag my feet some more and give the apartment a much needed coat of paint. No such luck. I’m not the only one willing to confess to some knee shaking when faced with contacting Dr. Lindemann as I recently learned from Peter Schwierzke, owner of Klepper West. Peter is the person who has arranged for Dr. Lindemann to come to the West Coast Sea Kayaking Symposium in September and is behind the upcoming, new translation of Alone At Sea. Late last year he was driving down a German autobahn toward Dr. Lindemann’s home for their first face-to-face meeting when it hit him. “Oh s*#t, I’m about to see a living legend in the flesh!” His mouth got dry during the last hour of the drive as he went into semi-shock at the prospect. Luckily for Peter and for me, Dr. Lindemann, for all of his accomplishment, is a very accessible, open individual. He made Peter feel at home during his visit. And he put me at ease in our phone conversation. The interview went differently from what I envisioned. Like any reporter, I confess that I approached Dr. Lindemann with some preconceived ideas of what I wanted him to say and was hoping to steer him into saying them. Dr. Lindemann didn’t cooperate with my preconceptions and the interview contained some revealing surprises about his voyage not published before. Below are the key points that I think folding kayakers will find most useful, some of which will appear in the upcoming Sea Kayaker article. What It Took To the unaware, Dr. Lindemann’s cross-Atlantic voyage in a folding kayak might seem a foolhardy adventure. Probably, with a less-prepared individual at the helm, it would have been. However, Dr. Lindemann had some great strengths that reduced the risks. Understanding these strengths is the key to the lessons we can draw from his voyage. First, he was a small-boater par excellence. He had several dozen years of experience in small boats ranging from folding kayaks to sailing vessels. Dr. Lindemann had done plenty of paddling in his youth in Germany prior to WW II and, in the years following, had embarked on lengthy voyages in various craft. He not only knew the art of small-boat handling. He also was thoroughly grounded in what to expect on the open sea, not from reading books but from direct contact with that fickle element. Dr. Lindemann attaches great importance to this strength. In our interview it came out during a question I asked regarding how he sees sea kayaking today. He used the question to focus on the issue of required skills. While he is happy to see a resurgence in the sport he feels that many kayakers venture out unprepared. “I think people want to do things with a bang. They go too fast, rah rah. They are suicidal.” Regarding his own perilous voyage, he said “It is alright to attempt things when you have the experience.” Second, Dr. Lindemann had a clear understanding and control of his mind. He possessed some strengths in mental outlook that helped see him through. These came out during the course of our interview in the unexpected answers he gave to my questions. When I asked what was the most important thing he brought with him, he quickly replied, “My optimism.” Ever the Folding Kayaker editor, I was thinking about equipment, but he clearly was concerned about more important intangible things. His positive attitude was key to the success of the voyage which was marked by severe storms, adverse winds and several capsizes. “I never suffered anxiety even in the worst of it. I was always sure I would pull through.” Dr. Lindemann believes that so much of pulling through is mental and in the will to press on. His book frequently discusses the question of survival using examples dating back to the last century of people cast adrift by disasters at sea. Why do some poorly equipped individuals survive while others better provisioned die within the first few days? The latter gave up, the survivors did not. Earlier, Dr. Lindemann had crossed the Atlantic in a 23-foot Liberian dug out canoe and found that he lacked an ability to meditate. He indicated during our interview that he had worked for months on learning how to meditate in preparation for the second crossing. He meditated often during the trip and the effort would bring him to what he told me was a “Buddha-like state.” Which leads to another intangible that came out during the interview. “I also prayed a lot. My prayers were not those of any organized religion. My belief was in pure religion, a biological religion. A belief in what we call ‘a holy spirit’. It helped me to keep calm.” All of this combined to get him into a state of mind in which he was one with the elements surrounding him. “During the voyage, particularly the last three weeks, I sensed I was in flow. I achieved the state reached by musicians with their music and instruments. It was as when shooting a bow and arrow when everything lines up perfectly: eye, muscle, arrow, bow and target.” Most Difficult Moment Still, I felt there must have been some problem, some moment of doubt. So I asked him what was his most difficult time. I was thinking he might respond, for example, by pointing to the night his kayak had capsized during a vicious storm and he hung on to the upside down boat freezing and waiting for dawn to come when he would have enough light to safely right his kayak. That was a particularly hairy moment in Alone At Sea when everything seemed to be lost. His response? “Buying the Klepper! That was my most difficult time. I had no money. I had to pay for it out of my own pockets and they weren’t deep.” Now there’s an answer most folding kayak owners can relate to! What About The Boat I was curious about his thoughts regarding the folding kayak that he used, a stock Klepper Aerius II which he ordered without fanfare from a dealer in Germany and had mailed to him in the Canary Islands. The Klepper company was not aware of what he planned to do, didn’t even know he had bought one of its boats. It was a far cry from today when getting corporations to fork over gear and equipment is de rigueur. Did the boat let him down? What did he think of it? “It was a perfect boat,” he responded. “Oh, it was an inland sea boat obviously not built for the open Atlantic. No small boat is. I added the outrigger and the mizzensail for the conditions that would prevail on the Atlantic and did other modifications to prepare it for the open sea.” Indeed, throughout Alone At Sea, Dr. Lindemann writes very fondly about his folding kayak and its reliability and performance during the voyage. One of the reasons why he crossed the Atlantic a second time, after doing it in the long African dugout canoe was that he wanted to revert to the folding kayaks of his youth. Part of this was to also to pay homage to one of his own heroes, Captain Franz Romer. Romer had crossed the Atlantic in 1928 in a custom-built 19 ft. folding kayak. After reaching Puerto Rico, the captain and his boat disappeared without a trace during a hurricane on the way to the US mainland. Dr. Lindemann felt that by doing it again in a folding kayak it would be a fitting reprise to Romer’s earlier effort. Indeed, Dr. Lindemann confided something that was never mentioned in Alone At Sea. During the second voyage, he felt that Romer was with him at all times. “It was a cosmic feeling I had.” Comment On Aussie Challenge Many of readers of this newsletter followed the attempt by Eric Stiller and Tony Brown to circumnavigate Australia in a folding kayak. Dr. Lindemann had learned of the voyage from Peter Schwierzke. It came up during the interview. Dr. Lindemann asked me how the Aussie Challenge was going. When I told him that the voyage had ended after 4,000 miles in Darwin, he seemed very impressed by their getting that far in what he knew were treacherous waters. He asked me what had happened: had they been hurt; had they given out physically. I told him no and went into Eric’s feeling that they had been issued just so many luck tickets at the beginning of the trip in Sydney and that they had run out of these just short of Darwin in gigantic overfalls. “They were right to get off the water immediately,” he exclaimed. “If you no longer feel you belong there, you don’t belong.” ________________________________________ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>At the risk of getting people annoyed with me (you would be >surprised!!), I am reproducing it here in its entirety. >best, > >ralph diaz > >______________________________ >A TALK WITH DR. LINDEMANN: >INSIGHTS ON VOYAGE As always you are a very interesting read. Keep up the good work. Dana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Ralph wrote; (SNIP) At the risk of getting people annoyed with me (you would be surprised!!), I am reproducing it here in its entirety. I think John Winters of Paddlewise would like it as it seems to jibe with his own philosophical bent. best, I really appreciate the post. Lindemann is a truly special man and I recommend his book to every paddler - even those not planning an ocean trip. His book is honest, forthright and wonderfully entertaining. I was once talking with my dentist about people we would like to have dinner with. At the time we agreed upon Gorbachev. I would also add Lindemann to my short list. His advice “If you no longer feel you belong there, you don’t belong.” is perfect. Imagine how few kayaking disasters there would be if people followed it. Cheers, John Winters Redwing Designs Specialists in Human Powered Watercraft http://home.ican.net/~735769/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
John Winters wrote: > > I really appreciate the post. Lindemann is a truly special man and I > recommend his book to every paddler - even those not planning an ocean > trip. His book is honest, forthright and wonderfully entertaining. I was > once talking with my dentist about people we would like to have dinner > with. At the time we agreed upon Gorbachev. I would also add Lindemann to > my short list. Eat your heart out, John, I had dinner with him during the West Coast Sea Kayak Symposium. The other dinner companions were his wife and a friend/reader of mine who is a shrink. Wonderful conversation that I wished I could have recorded. About medicine and psychiatry, the human mind and a bit about kayaking. Dr. Lindemann thrives on challenging assumptions and claims. As you recall from the book, one of his motivations was to disprove the claims that a French scientist was bantering around about survivors at sea being able to drink saltwater in certain quantities. Which brings me to what happened during the dinner. Somewhere in our lively dinner conversation, I mentioned that I spoke Portuguese. Lindemann let that go by as we went far and wide in our exchanges. About 10 minutes later, he turned to me and rattled off something in perfect Portuguese; he had never let on that he knew the language. I rattled off something back to him in a strong Rio de Janeiro accent (like speaking English with a twang). A sly smile crossed his face and a meeting of eyes because he knew that I knew that he was putting my claim to a test. It was that kind of evening. Nothing got by him. BTW, I have been asked by private email to give more of that interview but that is all there was to it at the time. Later that year, I did a followup article in my newsletter covering actually meeting him at the Symposium and the impression I felt he made plus my own thoughts like the thing above about the dinner. I will post this followup in a few days to these listservers. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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